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1/24/2020 6:28:30 PM
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So what you are saying is nerf shotguns and fusion rifles because they are the most used special weapons in PvP... the masses gravitate to what is cheesy and the numbers definitely don't lie... those things are used and abused more then anything else. Would you rather adapt to cheese and improve or go back to dual primaries? I personally don't mind any of the weapons/ abilities/ exotics in PvP.. were reincarnated space zombies with magic powers and weapons from slain gods. Kinda funny though you are still complaining about OEM.. my bet is you are a hunter main who abuses the dodge.. that things 9 exotics in one for free but am I crying for it to be nerfed? No.
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  • 1v1 me.

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    1. Number gravitate towards the easiest options, which indicates options with the lowest entry skill requirement. I have no issues with weapons with low skill requirements, as long as they have a large skill gap. That's why I don't complain about shotguns. There is a MASSIVE difference between your casual shotgunner and your top tier shotgunner. 2. OEM makes every single 1v1 easier, decreasing both entry level skill requirements and skill gaps across the board. If you don't see that, you're either not abusing it or you don't know how. As far as I'm concerned, give it all the benefits it's ever had, but take way the wall hacks. 3. I'm a hunter main, but I haven't played PvP in months because of the cheese, matchmaking, and lack of rewards. I have also never abused dodge or ran max mobility. So you're wrong on every one of your assumptions. Have a good one.

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  • Edited by CaptainW1nky: 1/24/2020 7:01:21 PM
    Numbers gravitate towards the easiest options you are correct. The total number of daily kills for shotguns triples the number of daily kills for fusions.. same can be said for snipers. The difference between a low skill shotgun user and a "high skill" shotgun user is they are both hunters... one is crouched in the corner.. the other is crouched then rams his head off the ceiling then dodges to ram his head off the ceiling again. I mean... even with fusion rifles their is a skill gap and you said you don't care about weapons if they have a learning curve so why complain about them? Because they counter bashing your head off a ceiling with shotguns? Dodge makes every 1v1 easier. It cuts target acquisition until the dodge is over making it slightly harder to hit headshots on PC since that forgiving hitbox is gone and almost impossible on console, it cuts the tracking of grenades, it cuts the chaining of warlock grenades/dune marchers, it cuts the tracking of certain supers like storm caller, it reloads weapons activating kill clip etc etc so on and so forth.. it's literally a get out of jail free card that allows you to put yourself in terrible situations without much thought.. so i'm not sure how you can complain about OEM which is actually an exotic... I mean you could literally run foe tracer and track people through walls on top of having all that extra crap from dodge if you are really that concerned with it.. is it as good of tracking? No. But it's still tracking. I could already tell you we're a hunter main. It counters my cheesy play style helppppp.

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    Considering virtually 100% of your first paragraph was false and you clearly have no understanding on what really separates a normal shotgunner and a good one, I'm done after this post. Can't have discussions with people who aren't willing to learn. By the way, fusions have a low entry level skill requirement, slightly higher than shotguns. Fusions have virtually no skill gap at all. It pales in comparison to the shotgun skill gap. All you have to do with a fusion is either use backup plan or play slow. That's it. That's all any fusion has to do. There's no significant aerial game. No significant source of out playability. No required maneuverability or mobility. No precision. Hardly any need to close the gap. No travel time for bolts. Each and every day Bungie could have implemented a skill gap for fusions, they did not. But shotguns are easier to use at the lowest end of the skill gap, so they're used more. Usage does not equate to power. Never has. It ALWAYS has equated to ease of use vs effectiveness. Shotguns are easy and effective with a massive skill gap, so they're going to be used across the board across all skill levels. Fusions aren't as easy and effective, but they have a very tiny skill gap, so they aren't desirable across all skill levels. That right there is going to skew their usage significantly. Their usage is also skewed by the fact that they are in the energy slot. Shotguns can exist in any slot. And guess what? THAT'S what usage data describes; not what's "OP." It can describe what's OP, but that doesn't mean it does 100% of the time.

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  • Edited by CaptainW1nky: 1/24/2020 8:28:53 PM
    It's not you can literally go look at the numbers yourself. They don't lie. https://guardian.gg/2/weapon-stats Fusion's are on par with rockets.... which is a heavy... who's ammo is regulated........ dang they are just out there deleting people right and left said no one. I've described to a T what separates a "good" shotgunner from a "bad" one. It doesn't take much. The skill gap in this game isn't very big. Every special in this game has a low skill entry level aside from snipers. Like I said... doesn't take much "skill" to crouch in a corner with a shotgun so not really sure what your point is. Fusions have a higher skill gap then shotguns. You have to know how to read the radar and know the difference between being baited/being pushed by using sound ques on top of the radar so you don't waste backup plan. You also have to have thumbs to be able to slide fusion rifle someone so on and so forth. There are strengths and weaknesses to both but with fusions you have a bit to worry about since you are almost a sitting duck at close range without backup plan... shotguns? They fire whenever so you don't need to think about that at all. If you aren't moving with a fusion you are on the low end of the "skill gap" with a fusion rifle. Thanks for describing to us all how bots play i'm sorry you were killed by one who countered your "high skill shotgun play" and it angered you. Shotguns are easier to use and more effective... I agree. That literally contradicts everything you are saying about why fusions need a nerf as opposed to shotguns.. I'm sorry fusions when used properly counter your preferred playstyle. Crazyyyyyyy concept... counters being in a game and all. Kinda funny how you skipped over the dodge cheese when you were complaining about an exotic... you knew I was right and didn't want attention drawn to it rofl.

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  • shotguns take very little skill and are even more deadly in the hands of an experienced player and fusions are a cheese

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  • They are both cheese. One just happens to counter the other if used properly. People don't like things that can counter their preferred playstyle.

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  • that’s what i’m saying tho

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  • I was just agreeing lol people get angry about anything that kills them if it's not something they like to use.

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  • oh ok sry misjudged your meaning

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  • All good my friend lol

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