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6/10/2019 8:23:53 AM
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I don’t agree with the LGBT community/lifestyle/what have you ... doesn’t make me think any less or higher of you. You go and do whatever it is you gonna do.
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Honestly amazing to me how you're saying people can do whatever they want and you're getting called a homophobe. Nothing is ever enough, apparently.
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Why even mention you don't agree? Just go about your day.
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Why complain about someone who disagrees but still says people can do what they want? Just go about your day.
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Lets look at it this way... Hypothetically speaking, lets say I cant stand Indonesian folk. I dont think they should be able to live where I do, but as society dictates that they can, I put up with them. Would I still be prejudiced/racist?
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That's not what he said. You're twisting his statement in your analogy. You need to nbn understand that people do not agree with you and you need to stop forcing what you think onto others.
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I don't hate Christians, I just don't agree with their lifestyle for religious reasons.
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Did I say he should think another way? No. I pointed out what his views amount to, and have been met with some pretty impressive mental contortions. "I'm not Homophobic, I just think Homosexuality is wrong" Breathtaking.
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I don't think that's an accurate analogy. He's not saying "society dictates that it's OK to be gay and therefore I have to put up with people who are". IMO, it seems like his point is more akin to "I don't understand homosexuality but I don't think lesser of people who are gay. They can do what they want". Call him ignorant if you want but I think it's a little ridiculous to call him a homophobe or a bigot. Especially when, to me, his post didn't seem to have any malicious intent whatsoever. There are plenty of actual bigots on this thread to go after.
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Edited by Bieltan: 6/10/2019 5:52:43 PMHe openly said he believes its wrong. Analogy is accurate.
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OK, so he believes it's wrong. Where does he say that they shouldn't live near him or not do whatever it is they're going to do, as your analogy suggests?
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He doesnt due to societies acceptance, as I do in my analogy.
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That’s not the case at all. I can and do still love a person regardless of their choices/lifestyle/religious belief/political party/gender/sexual preference.
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Either way, doesnt change the nature of the view in question. I dont doubt that we could have a laugh together, nor do I think you're a horrible person. I think you hold a bigoted view, but you dont act on it or mistreat people because of it. Regardless, it is what it is.
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Well that's the difference. You're assuming he doesn't say that because of society's acceptance instead of just taking his word for it. I guess I just don't understand calling someone out when they essentially said, "gays can do what they want".
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[quote]Well that's the difference. You're assuming he doesn't say that because of society's acceptance instead of just taking his word for it.[/quote] Couldnt possibly be due to being part of a Free Society then? No... 🙄 [quote]I guess I just don't understand calling someone out when they essentially said, "gays can do what they want".[/quote] Because its symptomatic of the problem only being partially solved, or worse, buried.
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[quote]Because its symptomatic of the problem only being partially solved, or worse, buried.[/quote] This is my point of it never being enough. "Have a parade. Do what you want." "You're part of the problem, bigot." Completely ridiculous.
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Edited by Bieltan: 6/10/2019 7:21:32 PM[quote][quote]Because its symptomatic of the problem only being partially solved, or worse, buried.[/quote] This is my point of it never being enough. "Have a parade. Do what you want." "You're part of the problem, bigot." Completely ridiculous.[/quote] Prejudice is prejudice. I commend the attitude, but I condemn the views. And yes, prejudice that continues to fester unchallenged is still problematic. As I have said previously (here or elsewhere I dont recall) you are free to think what you want. Others are free to call you on it. If you choose to hold bigoted views, at least be man enough to own up to your own prejudice. (Obv not referencing you personally. General "you")
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I guess so. I just think better time is spent calling out actual bigots over people with a different opinion.
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Opinions can be bigoted. In fact, we're actually discussing a bigoted opinion, and I feel I've been fairly even and respectful over this by my usual standards on such topics. I'm not flaming, more encouraging people to think a little harder about the nature of their views.
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We've already been over the fact that he "tolerates" gays, right? Whether it's due to social acceptance or not is irrelevant. The very definition of bigot is as follows: "a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions" If you want to say he's exhibiting prejudice because he disagrees with that way of life? Fine, I won't argue with that. But bigot? No, that's wrong.
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In actions? No. In views? Yes. Believing something is outright wrong is not tolerance.
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[quote]In actions? No. In views? Yes. Believing something is outright wrong is not tolerance.[/quote] Then by that logic we all should tolerate pedophiles? Or mass murderers? What about actual -blam!- members? Or Neo N A Z I’s?
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[quote][quote]In actions? No. In views? Yes. Believing something is outright wrong is not tolerance.[/quote] Then by that logic we all should tolerate pedophiles? Or mass murderers? What about actual -blam!- members? Or Neo N A Z I’s?[/quote] You're actually comparing gay people to bona fide Criminals? Theres a reason they arent tolerated in society. As for n-zis, I refer you to The Paradox of Tolerance
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[quote][quote][quote]In actions? No. In views? Yes. Believing something is outright wrong is not tolerance.[/quote] Then by that logic we all should tolerate pedophiles? Or mass murderers? What about actual -blam!- members? Or Neo N A Z I’s?[/quote] You're actually comparing gay people to bona fide Criminals? Theres a reason they arent tolerated in society. As for n-zis, I refer you to The Paradox of Tolerance[/quote] Dude... now your just reaching. In no way did I compare gay people to criminals. I give up. You’re simply looking for an argument and twisting my words to fit your own logic. I’ve had enough.
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[quote][quote][quote][quote]In actions? No. In views? Yes. Believing something is outright wrong is not tolerance.[/quote] Then by that logic we all should tolerate pedophiles? Or mass murderers? What about actual -blam!- members? Or Neo N A Z I’s?[/quote] You're actually comparing gay people to bona fide Criminals? Theres a reason they arent tolerated in society. As for n-zis, I refer you to The Paradox of Tolerance[/quote] Dude... now your just reaching. In no way did I compare gay people to criminals. I give up. You’re simply looking for an argument and twisting my words to fit your own logic. I’ve had enough.[/quote] We were discussing having a tolerant view towards gay people, and you suggested I apply the same logic to pedophiles and mass murderers. Tell me where I've got that wrong?
