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Edited by draycole:
2/19/2019 7:33:48 PM
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What you're experiencing isn't necessarily a case of D1 being better.
Im willing to bet you have a ton of hours into D1.
And as such D1 has that "home" feel to it.
For those who didn't spend hundreds or thousands of hours in D1.
To them, D1 and D2 are practically the same game.
And for all intents and purposes.... They are. As a matter of fact D1 and D2 being too similar was one of the big complaints when D2 laucnhed.
Some of the stuff you mentioned can be attributed to some changes like the field of view and a reduction of aim assist and even the sounds of the guns.
But by and large with things like how the overrall dynamic of the game is played how much damage weapons do etc.
Things are the same
[quote]So..... Why oh why did Bungie scrap everything in D1, I feel like D2 would have been SOOOOOOO much better if it simply continued from what we had. [/quote]
For the fanboys yes
But you need to remember how very few people enjoyed D1.
And not everyone would be excited about its old worn out engine for the next 10 years
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I don't recall the two games being similar ever being a complaint, there were so many other issues people were discussing.
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Other issues from the destiny community. Those who weren't in depth with the first game (angry Joe, IHE for example) felt it was too much of the same thing
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D1 held me for 3 years. I've taken a few long breaks during D2 and flat out quit playing about 2 months ago. Debating whether or not I should just uninstall it from my console now. D2 is a broken mess. Bungo took away factions and Trials and planetary vendors haven't been updated, ever. PVP is trash compared to D1 and has been mostly ignored by Bungo in D2. They just keep bringing back old weapons from D1 because most new items in D2 are lack luster. Armor is not aesthetically pleasing and the perks mostly suck. Other than Foresaken, D2 has pretty much been a failure compared to D1 and it still has a ton of broken systems and content missing. D2 drove me away from the Destiny universe.
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[quote]To them, D1 and D2 are practically the same game.[/quote] Sorta. I could make a case that a 2018 Corvette and 1975 AMC Pacer are practically the same. The are both cars, with an engine and 4 wheels. Which would you rather drive for fun?
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Depends on what was done to the amc pacer lol. But the comparison between D1 and D2 is more akin to the comparison of a 2015 Honda accord and 2018 honda Accord
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Edited by blade329: 2/20/2019 5:21:44 PM[quote]Depends on what was done to the amc pacer lol.[/quote] LOL. True, but it would still be lipstick on a pig. Which is what I have called D2, for the most part. [quote]But the comparison between D1 and D2 is more akin to the comparison of a 2015 Honda accord and 2018 honda Accord[/quote] That's being far too generous. When it compares to what other AAA titles are putting out. I would say it's a 2010 Honda Accord compared to a 2015 Honda Civic. Especially when it comes to PvP, this game is far behind the times.
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Edited by l Cadi l: 2/21/2019 2:04:05 AMIt ain't lipstick on a pig if you stuff a big block with a blower in it. Thats a pig with a rocket strapped to it.
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LOL. Who am I to judge. I got trounced by a blown Chevy Vega once.
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No, it is definitely better in almost every way. I would say the only thing better in D2 is the ledge grab and some cosmetics, lol. If you really think very few people liked D1, and you think they are almost identical then you must not have ever played it, and/or have a very short attention span.
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What D2 offers that D1 didn't/Things D2 does better the following is not my opinion, this list is as objective as can be, things like which raid is better is not an objective truth 1. More exotics 2. More Missions and content overrall 2.5: If you count raid lairs as raids, D2 has more raids 3. An improved version of eververse 4. Ability to level up doing any activity you want whenever you want. (powerful rewards/engrams 5. Ledge grab 6. More synergy amongst exotics and abilities/supers 7. Not having to go to orbit to go from destination to destination 8. Nightfalls are customizable, and there are 3 versions per week. 9. In game map 10.clan integration 11. Multiple emotes usable at once. 12. Shaders can be applied to individual pieces of gear. 13. Story was coherent. (vanilla D1 to vanilla D2) 14. Every y2 weapon and armor piece can be nodded and tailored to what the player wants. 15. More options in terms of armor/agility/recovery stats. 16. More weapon types 17. Supers, abilities, and weapons deal significantly more damage in pve than they did in D1. (see fastest primeval kills and riven "cheese") ------------also more synergy amongst dps capabilites allowing for very impressive feats 18. In game lore tabs 19. Almost everything from eververse earnable for free. Just by playing the game. 20. Graphical and texture improvements. 21. Dedicated and ranked competitive mode 22. More content for less cost to the player (taking into consideration buying each expansion as it releases) If anyone can think of anything else lemme know, I'll add it I think d2 has 1 more strike atm, either that or they have the same number or strikes. Correct me if I'm wrong. D1 was one of the biggest disappointments in recent gaming history, 2nd maybe to anthem. Most people didn't even bother finishing the vanilla story, and even less ever got a chance to even equip an exotic or have multiple legendaries
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Fall out 76, Division 1, I’ve seen more people disappointed at those then D1
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Fallout maybe because its such a big name. But definitely not the division
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Division 1 was a major disappointment as well go back and watch coverage of it.
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Oh yeah most definitely Division was a total disappointment. But it was no where near as big of a game as destiny was
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Just because there is more, doesn’t mean it is better.
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[quote]1. More exotics[/quote] Yes, but more lackluster gear doesn't mean a whole lot. See Mechaneer's Tricksleeves. [quote]3. An improved version of eververse[/quote] LOL. Nobody cares [quote]12. Shaders can be applied to individual pieces of gear.[/quote] This is a feature?? It was a money making vehicle, nothing more. The way it was done is a total negative. [quote]20. Graphical and texture improvements.[/quote] Yes and no. I find the animations and explosions on the console to be a complete joke. In PvP it looks like last generation graphics. Hazy broken up confetti looking graphics do not impress me.
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1. See (insert the many useless D1 exotics) 3. Nobody cares yes. But it's an objective improvement. 12. Not sure how it's a money making thing when all o your shaders are in the collections available at all times. 15. It's no red redemption2 or metro. But it looks better than D1
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Edited by blade329: 2/20/2019 6:23:03 PM[quote]12. Not sure how it's a money making thing when all o your shaders are in the collections available at all times.[/quote] It sure was at launch, where getting shaders you wanted could translate to real money. That was the whole point to why it was created. They changed it after the predictable outcry. The entire shader system is still not impressive to me at all. The don't even give me the option to do a blanket change on my guardian. So lackluster. [quote]But it looks better than D1[/quote] In some ways, yes. On the PC, there's no question that D2 is superior looking across the board. On the PS4, it's a mostly a lateral move. I have an older PS4, so that could be a factor for me. I'm upgrading to a PS4 Pro soon, so maybe that might change my mind.
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Destiny 1 still felt way better. Anthem hasn't been released yet, it's still early access, so if you're giving an early access game a bad review, calling it a disappointment then you just simply should be ignored. Your claims about how few people liked the game, finished the main story, etc are ridiculous claims. It's no secret that the majority of people preferred Destiny 1 over Destiny 2, it's still prevalent on the forums today. I still play D2 off and on but I very quickly get bored and saddened how it turned out, even with these "improvements".
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How are they ridiculous claims? Most people liked destiny so much that they quit never to return? I don't quite understand. [quote]the majority of people preferred Destiny 1 over Destiny 2, it's still prevalent [b] on the forums today.[/b] [/quote] This is exactly my point, your test group is pulling from. A sample of heavily biased individuals
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Actually not the case for me I tried D1 for the first time back in October of last year and I was blown away by how much better it was... the world had more detail felt more alive... The guns felt better and were more varied.. exotics felt exotic... armours are great was blown away by the difference... the character build system was vastly better and more in depth... I spent awhile trying to figure out what was the biggest difference and for it boiled down to Destiny 1 felt more like an RPG and Destiny 2 felt more like a simplistic shooter... If Destiny 1 was on PC I would stop playing D2 and be on D1...
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Edited by draycole: 2/20/2019 2:39:42 PMYou've given a lot to unpack here . 1. What extra details are you talking about that makes the world feel more alive? . 2. How does D1 have more varied weapons? D2 has more weapons and weapon types, that's a very easily provable fact. . 3. D2 has more weapon perks. Plus there's the mod system for an extra layer of customization Feel free to count them https://d2.destinygamewiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Perks https://www.destinygamewiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Perks . 4. What do you mean exotics felt exotic? By definition of the word exotic, all exotics feel exotic And if it's a matter of strength D2 has some strong ones, and some that are not so strong. Just like D1. On top of that D2 has more exotics in general. . 5. So.... The skill tree is more in depth than D2s. It is not vastly more in depth and it only exists as so because it gives the option to change and mix and match a few perks [b]When it comes to build variety[/b] actual builds that favor in exotics, perks, weapons etc. D2 has D1 beat by a large margin. D2s abilities and perk trees and exotics are designed with synergy in mind. And what that offers is actual builds. Swapping a couple bubbles around isn't build variety. . 6. For what makes an RPG an RPG. In terms of build quality and variety and the amount of content D2 has D1 beat. [spoiler] I don't mean to be nosy, but you've had a bungie.net account for almost 4 years. Yet last year was the first time you played D1? [/spoiler]
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[quote]5. So.... The skill tree is more in depth than D2s. It is not vastly more in depth and it only exists as so because it gives the option to change and mix and match a few perks When it comes to build variety actual builds that favor in exotics, perks, weapons etc. D2 has D1 beat by a large margin. D2s abilities and perk trees and exotics are designed with synergy in mind. And what that offers is actual builds. Swapping a couple bubbles around isn't build variety.[/quote] I'll have to stop you right there chief. You did have more build variety back in D1. The skill tree not only handled your abilities, but it also controlled your mobility/resilience/recovery. Armor in D1 had more perks that worked with the skill tree. Add to the fact that abilities and grenades were stronger, also gave you more options. Think you can build a melee focused guardian for PvP in D2 today. Good luck. Think you could build a guardian that is even ability focused today? Nope. I was sure able to do that in D1 and had a ton of fun with. You are so much more limited in D2.
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[quote]3. D2 has more weapon perks. Plus there's the mod system for an extra layer of customization Feel free to count them https://d2.destinygamewiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Perks https://www.destinygamewiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Perks[/quote]Much of d2 weaponry revolves on a handful of perks mainly outlaw, kill clip, rampage or dragonfly, while d1 also had must haves it had more variety then that and seeing a comparison between dragonfly and firefly would leave everyone reaching for a d1 firefly perk - the nerfed versions of good stuff we had is another reason d2 is largely considered worse then d1. [quote]4. What do you mean exotics felt exotic? By definition of the word exotic, all exotics feel exotic And if it's a matter of strength D2 has some strong ones, and some that are not so strong. Just like D1. On top of that D2 has more exotics in general.[/quote]And how many d2 exotics are simply reprised d1 ones? Wardcliff will never be as famous as gjallarhorn, crimson will never be red death, malfeasance doesnt have the infamy of thorn. The exotics on D2 have been pretty bland to the point that what was a legendary sniper in Y1 of D1 was turned into an exotic heavy. [quote]5. So.... The skill tree is more in depth than D2s. It is not vastly more in depth and it only exists as so because it gives the option to change and mix and match a few perks [b]When it comes to build variety[/b] actual builds that favor in exotics, perks, weapons etc. D2 has D1 beat by a large margin. D2s abilities and perk trees and exotics are designed with synergy in mind. And what that offers is actual builds. Swapping a couple bubbles around isn't build variety.[/quote]Yeah uh no, theres no way around the fact that d1 had more customization, just because you call it "changing bubbles" does not mean you weren't setting up your class the way you want. This change was a big mistake and likely was done to simplify the game for casual players. I'll also include how getting a 5/5/2 build was more in depth then masterworking armor - there was more depth and diversity in d1 [quote]6. For what makes an RPG an RPG. In terms of build quality and variety and the amount of content D2 has D1 beat.[/quote]Not really, d1 fulfilled power fantasy and player diversity alot more then d2 has. Which are core parts to a RPG. Quality of content could be argued as well - d1 strikes are considered better and while I love last wish vog/kings fall and wotm are imo better and also more popular in general
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To your first point So did D1. Most weapons revolved around needing a handful of perks to make a weapon. Viable. To your 2nd point. Less than half the D2 exotics are from. D1. And it doesn't matter what bungie does to exotics at this point. Nothing will ever gain the fame of weapons like gjallarhorn. This community is too jaded at this point. To your 3rd point. I'm talking actual build variety. I've said it at least 3 times now. Yes D1 offered more options. But each option carried less magnitude than the changes in d2. D2 also offers more synergy amongst its exotics, subclass supers and abilities. And to your final point we are far more powerful (in pve) than we ever were in D1. From supers to weapons. Everything is significantly more powerful. Just look at how fast a coordinated team can take out the primeval or raid bosses. You can take out a raid boss with an exotic sidearm. Like if someone said youd be able to do that back in 2016, people would lose their minds
