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Edited by michael:
11/13/2018 10:47:50 PM
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Is the Ikelos shotgun a problem for PvE?
[url=https://youtu.be/5rvTF4rBqnA]a video by Ehroar discussing the state of shotguns in PvE using numbers[/url]
do you think the ikelos shotgun being the best weapon in class and in slot for PvE is a problem? Or is it balanced?
personally, i think that the fact that you are significantly handicapping yourself and your team by using anything other than the ikelos shotgun in endgame PvE activities is a problem. Either it needs a nerf, or other weapons need to be brought to similar status without causing too much powercreep. but the fact that it does more damage with trench barrel active than a dust rock blues or toil and trouble is a serious problem in my opinion. there is nothing that comes close to competing with the ep shotgun and i feel that it needs to be addressed.
i will make a post in feedback if enough people are in agreement, which i doubt. but i will hold true to my opinion nonetheless. let me know what you think
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1 ReplyEdited by TheArtist: 11/14/2018 4:32:14 PMIts a minor problem for build-variety. Especially in situations where you are getting DPS checked. Because it is clearly the best-in-slot in terms of damage output. So you essentially damage nerf yourself by equipping something else. The problem isn't the weapon though....because the weapon is only "that good" in a very narrow niche. Situations where you can walk up to a high value target....smack it....then unload an entire shotgun magazine into it. That damage is the appropriate reward for the RISK necessary to achieve it. The problem is that Bungie's design ethic has become too repetitive. TOO many play modes where we're being DPS-checked (raids, Gambit, Escalataion protocol, The Blind Well, The Haunted Forest)..... ...and essentially every boss fight is the same design. Fighting in this inescapable box or on this open platform against a boss that can wade out into your midst. So you can walk up to it with a shotgun.....but the boss can also get within melee range of you and knock you into geometry....and death. Or (my favorite) knock you off that open platform.....to a OHK death. If Bungie were less repetitive and less predictable in their boss fight design and content design.....you'd solve the problem by easily making the EP shotgun a weapon that is NOT the best choice in every situation. .
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EP Shotty is fine. It is a great choice for encounters where you want to be, or can be, up close to the boss. It is less good when the objective is more to clear adds than strong majors or bosses. It is useless when the objective required longer distance engagement (eg Calus). I probably used it less when I was under leveled, and needed to stay at range. I use it more now that I am max light, and I can tank damage better. But there are still good dps options, like Trust or Luna’s.
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5 Replies>complaining about a weapon in PvE bruh That's how Gjallahorn and Field Scout were nerfed
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1 ReplyIt was already nerfed. It's damage element became Solar, only. Personally, I think it's fine. It's good to have must-have PvE Weapons. But this one just happens to not take an Exotic slot.
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1 ReplyThe %12 can’t get it to drop lol
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8 RepliesI think it should not get a nerf, but should probably be exotic to stimulate loadout diversity.
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They Should make an Akimbo Quad Barrel Shotgun that increases fire rate and damage output the more you fire it, you can set it to slug mode for long distance or spreadshot for medium to short distance. it gets charged by the Skullfort and every chained skullfort kill Loads 20 rounds into your Magazine. also, these akimbo shotguns makes you run faster when your super is active and when you shoulder charge the enemy, it works like melting point and ward of dawn where it debuffs the enemy and buffs allies. then you sit back, rip of your shirt and scream as you shoot shit in all directions, slowly firing as sweat drip from your body, in super slow mo. and a white pigeon, will fly in the background. slowly, up in the sky.... disappearing in the sunlight. i should stop smoking now... *cough*
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1 ReplyBuffs Buffs Buffs and more Buffs the only way to go for pve. Pvp on the other hand can lick my balls!!!
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1 ReplyGotta punch something first, stay within 15 feet or so for it to be really effective, not a problem.
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3 RepliesNo. There are encounters where its super useful, there are others where you'll barely miss it. What I [i]will[/i] agree upon is that it would be nice to have some more weapons of that standard.
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2 RepliesNot got it but wouldn't mind it. As for end game content, I've done the raid 5 times now and never felt at a disadvantage with badlander. A full team of 600’s isn't exactly lacking in firepower and I reckon if no one had it it wouldn't be a problem
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2 RepliesEdited by i3thDisciple: 11/14/2018 7:28:14 PMdoes it matter what we pve players think... no... the only thing that matters to bungie is making their puke pvp players stop crying... it will get nerfed, just a matter of time. *edit: just read your post... are you asking for it to be nerfed??? if so you have lost your mind!!!
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1 ReplyInstead of nerfing it they should make more weapons like it
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1 Replythe only 'problem' is that bungie hasn't put out a gun that can dps like it. I have some hopes for the pinnacle gambit weapon coming up.
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2 RepliesIt is the endgame shotgun and needs some exclusivity. Otherwise no one grinds for it and no one uses it. It is the top pve shotgun and should remain that. You can buff other shotguns and fusions, but it still should outclass them all.
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1 ReplyI dont see how any weapon is an issue for PvE unless an activity requires it to complete. Don't we all want weapons with cool perks that make us feel powerful? God this place is a shit heap. Nothing requires the gun to beat it and you can change it any time to complete content.
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1 Replyguys were gonna bring back random rolls but none of the secondaries u can get are going to be able to compete with a gun from Warmind that tons of ppl are already using
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2 RepliesYou will rarely see people complain about a PvE weapon because we want to feel powerful and have these weapons to chase. You do not need the EP shotty to complete any activity in the game and it's a very particular play style so needs to stay where it is and add more weapons like this to compete. If it suddenly became rampant in PvP it would get nerfed to the ground because that's how it goes, even though the numbers would suggest PvE is played way more by more people.
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I don’t have a problem with it outperforming primaries and secondaries. I mean it has pretty short range and isn’t viable in a number of things. My issue is it’s better than some heavies like acrius and wardcliff etc Basically I think more heavies need to be buffed-to a viable place. I just think there’s a problem when you have such Stark dps differences. You either have to tune health to the highest dps combos which makes everything else worthless or you tune it to the regular weapons and make encounters trivial if you maxdps.
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1 ReplyIts amazing and we need more weapons like it. The only problems i see is we dont have variety. And people complaining about not having one.
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5 RepliesI use Zenith and the St 14 one both are devastating to bosses. The EP shotty while good is hardly the best choice. My Zenith is void.. so I use that with Tractor cannon. Way better than the EP shotty.
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No, I really like the ikelos shotgun.
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6 RepliesI think it's fine where it is. My issue with your comparison, is that it's straight up damage comparison, it's very much a PvP oriented view where you isolate the weapon and a particular attribute at which it excels at and point out nothing else competes with it in this attribute and call it broken. It ignores the playstyle you would have to employ to get the best use of the weapon, it straight up ignores the risk vs reward factor, and it also ignores that you have to get up and personal with bosses that all have a stomp mechanism which effectively limits the effectiveness of the weapon itself. Sure when you do a comparison with a scope as limited as that, it seems very overpowered and you know why, it's because that's how a YouTuber gets their clickbait. My biggest concern about this topic however is the obsession with people who seem to want to balance things up in a realm where they aren't being effected by the choice of others. It's akin to some religious types trying to control what people can and cannot do in the privacy of their own homes.
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3 RepliesGun takes dedication and grind to get. Sure, some people get lucky and get it on their 1st or 2nd completion, but I bet there are still lots of people who haven't got it yet.
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2 RepliesI checked the video and why the guy makes some useful stats comparisons I don´t agree at all with his conclusion. 1. There will always be some perk on some weapons that will outclass anything else. On shotguns it is: Full Auto, on Snipers it is white nail etc. 2. If you always feel the need to have the best weapon layout, you are doing it wrong. Running Whisper + IKELOS SG and Midnight Coup will most likely give you highest DPS in most activities. But, honestly it is boring. I got the IKELOS after 44 EP clears and thought I would never ever remove it from my energy slot, fast forward one week and I rarely feel the need to equip it. 3. There will always be endgame activities where any shotgun will be bad, even the IKELOS, because you dont want enemies in your face. Try to bring the IKELOS for example in Vorgeth Solo or Nightfalls with Blackout....
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1 ReplyI’ve been trying to get it since I hit 380 and grinding EP was the thing to do...so far I’ve got about 50 EP clears and only got the SMG! The shotgun looks awesome and some day RNG will be kind to me and it’ll drop...and a few days later it’ll be nerfed! I don’t know how good it actually is but from what I’ve seen it’s way more powerful than the competition and a lot of raid groups demand it or you’re kicked, for that reason I’d say it is OP. If you think it is balanced then that must mean the competition is UP and they all need a buff...not going to happen.
