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11/8/2018 6:37:25 PM
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There’s no way for Bungie to prove a paid carry occurred. What if you go to a friend’s house, log into their Xbox by downloading your profile, and let them play for you?
What if my kid is away for college and asks me to do some stuff on their account?
Unfortunately, there’s no way to prove a carry is paid. Bungie cannot police this.
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Random abnormal stats spikes could be used as evidence. Say I have a 1.2 kd in Comp and then all of a sudden by the end of the day my kd is a 2.0 and I have 1800 more glory than before. Just a thought. But yea, it's pretty difficult to police.
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“My kid was home sick from school for a few days. He’s a monster at pvp.” That statement alone plants enough doubt. Even if Bungie WANTED to crackdown on paid services the amount of people they would have to hire to investigate the millions of reports by players would make the process slower than their current banhammer process.
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An account with a <50% W/L rat. suddenly winning hundreds of games in a row against mostly DNFs should be a good indicator.
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To prove cheating (DNFs), yes, not paid recoveries. If you take away the DNF part from your statement I can duplicate that situation by letting my son (a beast in PvP) play on my account for me (a subpar PvP player). Highly unlikely? Yes, but proof is the problem.
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A quick IP check/history easily handles this.
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I visit my sister for the holidays (or during the summer for two weeks) and let my nephew play on my account. No way to get 100% proof. The amount of manpower needed to monitor the player base would also make any scenario unlikely. For IPs, what about military? I’m not trolling you or anyone. I’m stating the improbability of Bungie being successful with policing this issue.
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They can a provide a MAC address or go through a 2-step verification the same as anyone else. It’s blatantly against Xbox’ own ToS to lend/transfer accounts due to fraud or unauthorized transactions. The only way this isn’t the case is if the xbox shares the same address as both accounts and is set as the “home” console.
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Believe it or not. DDosing isn’t that common. ESPECIALLY while carrying or doing recoveries...
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This.
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If there are suspected paid carries a Bungie person count contact them pay for the service join the group and get the service. Then ban them
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That sounds like undercover detective work. Bungie isn’t going to do that. Even if they did, it’s just a console and/or an account ban, not an IP ban. They just buy another Xbox and/or create another account.
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Correct, however, moving towards performance based scoring could solve some of comps issues.
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It could. Dedicated servers would help, also. But there’s still no way for Bungie to prove a paid carry versus a friend playing for me.
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It's hardly the case where a friend plays for someone else. Most friends would rather download your account instead of travel just to play on your account so in that case it's still an account recovery, paid for or not.
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But that’s not against ToS, only paid recoveries are.
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Like I just said, that is hardly the case. 95% of the time when someone else is playing on someone else's account in comp, it is a paid recovery.
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I agree with this statement. The subject of the discussion is that the OP wants Bungie to do something to monitor this. There’s no way for Bungie to prove a recovery is paid or not, regardless if everyone agrees that 95% of recoveries are paid.
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Not so much monitor it but at least address the issue with the Destiny player base. I understand that people are always mad about something, but this one seems to be an legit issue that people have. That alone makes it worth at least a statement of some kind from Bungie.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2015/2/23/8090061/destiny-characters-deleted-ps4-share-play This was the incident. Bungie addressed it in a TWAB sometime after.
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Wow...that’s awful
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Awful yes, but lesson learned for the kid. No shortcuts in life, and cheating is never worth it.
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Facts.
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They did address this some time ago, with a generic statement. They stated that paid account recoveries are against TOS and issued a warning about giving your login info to anyone. It was after that kid posted about giving someone their login and the guy dismantled his items and deleted his characters. All they can do is warn and make public statements about TOS. They still can’t prove when someone dies it, so nothing can be done.
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https://www.bungie.net/7_Bungie-Weekly-Update---02192015/en/News/News?aid=12599 I lied, sort of. They didn’t really address it, and it was a Share Play, not an Account Recovery.
