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Edited by Evskii:
10/12/2018 2:44:07 PM
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Cluster Strat isn’t a “Cheese”
It’s maxing out DPS and using classes to their max potential. If you consider that a cheese, please never play another MMO of any sort because everyone will hate you and I don’t want you to have to deal with that. Literally the entire point of games like this are to min max your character and use them to their fullest potential.
Now if you had to glitch something to get it to work, I’d say it’s definitely a cheese. But you don’t have to glitch anything. Just pump out enough DPS with the correct load out.
Edit: as per request I’m clearing something up. I don’t think destiny is a full blown mmo but it is an mmo lite.
Edit 2: to be clear, I consider a cheese anything that glitches the game in some way. For example, pushing atheon of the ledge is a cheese because you skip damage to him. Riven isn’t a cheese because you still have to do the damage to her. That’s just my opinion obviously
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11 RepliesExactly. There are 0 exploits being used. Just stacking damage buffs in order to maximize damage. That's it.
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1 ReplyLol um pretty sure someone at bungie said they weren’t even sure if they are gonna consider this a cheese or not.
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I thought Cheesing something meant using little effort for maximum gain.
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1 ReplyWell said. Not our fault there was a more convenient way discovered to beat the encounter than originally intended. If Bungie 'nerf' this method, it will be disgusting.
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1 ReplyIt’s not a cheese, but it completely ruins the fun of the fight
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3 RepliesEdited by jnikoley: 10/11/2018 7:57:16 PMI agree it’s not a “cheese”, but I’m cringing at the thought of it being called a “strategy”, like “Shoot rockets really fast at the thing, yo!”. Sun Tzu is rolling over in his grave.
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1 ReplyIt isn’t necessarily a cheese per say, it’s an unintended side effect of the bosses hit box, if anything it’s an exploit because you’re circumventing steps that were designed to be necessary in order to complete the encounter.
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Ok, I don’t understand the focus on cluster bomb rockets at all now. If we’re talking about all 6 people and the joining allies thing I think people may have a point. But you can kill Riven as quickly with many different guns when all 6 are together. Stop picking on cluster bombs 🤣
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3 RepliesHonestly having to have Warlock with well and empowering melee with perfect timing Two melting point titans that don’t mess up People not rocketing themselves Seems a lot of work for a “cheese”
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What is a cheat remember destiny 1 ?? Crota cheese?? disconnect net and he stays down that was a cheese not cluster bombs because cluster bombs been in destiny since destiny 1
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1 ReplyHmm... from what people are saying about it, it may not be real cheese, but it’s cheesey. Less like sharp cheddar, more like kraft singles.
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5 RepliesTechnically speaking, cheese has no definition but comes from an actual time in history when the government tried to bully the global market in cheese. They made boat loads of cheese and then the plan back fired on the government and they were stuck with warehouses full of cheese that they had to get creative with to get rid of but not ruin the market. Saying this, it is a cheese. It simplifies the encounter and circumvents mechanics. You are cheesing the encounter. You are not cheating or breaking the game.. but cheesing the game does not mean you are doing either. It means you are bypassing a mechanic/mechanics to make something easier. Example, the sleeper in gambit is cheese. You are using something in the game to make a situation easier, but in no way does that mean cheating. All of this is going by the universal understanding of the term in context though and fully depends on your point of view of the term.
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I definitely cheesed my prime engrams to decrypt only edge transits. That’s how big I am at cheesing the game.
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6 RepliesIt is a cheese. It isnt utilizing bluffs to their maximum potential like skolas was its utilizing a overseen flaw that exists in most large hitboxes. The reason you use cluster rocket isnt because cluster adds damage it's because each the clusters are aoe. Unlike most aoe each cluster can hit a target more than once if multiple sections of its hitbox are in the same clusters blast radius. It was the same with axsis as well as the dogs in leviathan. It just happens that it's only a issue now because the hitbox sections are tighter larger and closer to the ground
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19 RepliesThis is a good debate. Was a Titan bubble with WoL and 3 guardians with gjallies burning Skolas down before he moved a cheese? Or was that a min/max strat? Let’s eliminate damage dealing; was sword skating to bypass ship jumping a “cheese”, in KF raid? It does completely bypass the design of the encounter. What about sword climbing to bypass piston walls, also in KF raid? Where does that line of thinking start/stop? Was hiding under a set of stairs to defeat Valus Tu’aurc a cheese, or a strat? I know for a fact that map glitching him was not a strat! lol If only I had been in on the design process and later comms, I might know the answers better. But, in all truthiness, I wasn’t involved. Absent Bungie intervening and directly addressing these issues, I’m of the belief that each gamer should answer that individually. Nothing wrong with min/max’ing, nothing wrong with the “purists” beliefs either. I watched Bungie pat the backs of the world’s first Leviathan when the team was clearly coil glitching. I just recently watched Bungie similarly pat the world’s first Last Wish complete with at least one fireteam member who abused the prime glitch to level up. That led me to my way of thinking below: meh, to each their own. There are few right/wrong ways to do a guardians work here, absent deliberate griefing. Do I believe Bungie is looking at this strat/cheese as we speak? Yep, I’d bet my life on it. Will they address it? 50/50. Depends on how easy it would be to actually push a fix vs their metrics analyzing how many teams are using this strat. If analysis shows this min/max strat being used a very significant portion of the time, Bungie will fix it faster than the Bureaucratic emote was removed wrt Trials map in year one. If raid population and completion rate is so low, conversely, Bungie may completely ignore it, hoping the strat will pad participation and completion numbers. I’m a min/max guy, it’s just how I think. Bungie is a company though, health of their game’s environment has to be critical. I can live in, understand, either world. Fun debate though!
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1 ReplySee, something comes to mind here. Years ago, in Final Fantasy 14, you were able to tank the boss Ramuh with the Summoner's Tank-Pet (which was intended to be used against trash-mobs when the Summoner went to do shit solo) and completely ignore the Boss' tank mechanics, turning the entire fight into a joke. This was as much of a glitch, cheese or exploit as Riven strat and Square promptly fixed it. And Bungie should too.
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Edited by RPColten: 10/11/2018 8:14:13 PMIt may not be a cheat like pushing the Templar or skipping the Bridge encounter in Crota's End, but is definitely sketchy. I don't see how anyone could look at this and honestly believe that it is a legitimate strategy that would be endorsed by Bungie. This isn't a team that runs through the encounter with precision and then maxes their class potential for massive damage. This is a team that says "-blam!- the encounter, lets just shoot her like a Strike boss". If Bungie implements some sort of patch to the encounter that forces the team to split, then that is that. It is a 'cheese'. If it remains an option without interference from the team, then it is a viable strategy.
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1 ReplySWS* Shared World Shooter - Is what Bungie like to call Destiny. But, yes it's not a cheese. Sorry if you're unlucky to not get one. Remember Crota? MUST HAVE Gally or Hunger of Crota... Sound familiar??
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Not that I care who uses what methods to do what. But back in my day "Cheese" was used to describe an easy strategy. Such as Zerg rushing on Starcraft..I know they are entirely different genres, nonetheless. Has the term changed or something? Because by definition cluster is "cheese" but why is that a bad thing? It's just the easiest method.
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I wouldn't call it a cheese, but its definitely bending the mechanics to their limit. The way they could fix is that once the doors lock, if more than 3 people are on one side, randomly teleport the amount of people out needed to make it three.Q
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Bungie do not consider its cheese but they are looking at what they can do about it according to a recent interview, End of the day they spent time and effort making a raid encounter that people are skipping so I guess that doesn't sit well with them. Source: https://gamerant.com/destiny-2-last-wish-raid-cheese/
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I agree it is not a cheese. Where it becomes a cheese is when u glitch out the wall to go to other side. Fix that bungie and nobody will want to continually run in there and hope riven comes there. Better off just running the mechanics with ep sniper and cluster bomb with boss spec
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i could careless if it is or isnt a cheese i have yet to get a rocket launcher since forsaken released that has a cluster bomb for a perk.. only rocket i got with it is the Levi rocket lol
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8 RepliesIs this a cheese? Or just raw damage https://youtu.be/GAx1mG1zOf0 Is this a cheese? Or just an insane amount of damage https://youtu.be/x08EVkUsu2U Is this a cheese? Or just a team with a lot of coordination https://youtu.be/eYPWyouf1Ek Now tell me one more time... Is this a cheese? Or just a team prepared enough with the rarest gun in the game https://youtu.be/f6zy5W_8eX4
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10 RepliesAgree but remember you’re talking to the community that thought the “no knight” strat in Kings fall was a cheese.
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***** This post goes out to people like MesaSean's video that are crying because of the Riven Burn AND / OR the "it was designed to do the mechanics" crowd. If you have a woody for mechanics, go back to Leviathan. That was easily the worst raid ever!! **** People say this is a cheese. Well if this is a "cheese" then so was the 2 celestials / 4 non-celestials on Calus at the 335 power to 1 or 2 plate Calus. The way it is set up currently is that you can do either / or. That CHOICE is up to you and your team. Why consider changing that??? If you think this is a "cheese" and are hating on this strat, then dont do it in your fireteam. It really is that simple. If you get an LFG player into your team w a ton of clears already, boot them if all they know is the quick burn and you want to do symbols. It will force that player to learn both styles. But dont come on here and cry because others are not doing it the way YOU prefer. For the players I roll with, some are wanting to get into the raid. Unfortunately their real lives dictate that they cant invest the hours that some can to be 580+ for the end burn (can be done w less power btw). Now they dont complain about the power grind or the masterwork infusing. They just want to have fun. And if a Riven burn is fun for them, so be it. If doing the symbols is what they wanna do, so be it. Personally, I think it's perfect.
