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Edited by Cayde: 6/28/2018 2:54:10 PM
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Will Forsaken Be About Our Guardian, or Our Ghost?

Is our Guardian going to speak even a little bit in the Forsaken campaign? For the longest time, our Guardian has been fundamentally nothing more than a carrier of loot and progression. We don’t know anything about his/her past, personality, thoughts, and emotions aside from emotive body language awkwardly jammed into various cutscenes. How many times has he/she and the Ghost looked at each other for a second, then back at some door or other character in a cutscene? Our Guardian is thus not a complete or even legitimate character for these reasons, and if he/she is going to be placed as a central and crucial component of Forsaken, then Bungie has a major issue to address. There is only so much that our Ghost can fill in. The Ghost is starting to talk less about himself and more about what our Guardian should be saying himself/herself in certain situations. For example, Bungie would probably write something like this: > Cayde-6: “Hey Guardian, you know, you’ve had my back through thick and thin—the Dreadnaught, Zavala’s wrist slaps, that Vex trap back on Nessus, all of it. You were the first person I thought of when Petra told me to bring my ‘right-hand man’, and if things get dicey in that prison, I know I can trust you with my life. And...thank you.” > Ghost: “Don’t mention it, Cayde. We’re happy to help!” Are other characters talking to us, or our Ghost now? We hardly interact with the universe or characters beyond what we’re told to do, and that’s only reinforced by the fact that we haven’t said a word [i]in almost four years[/i]. All we do is stand there and get talked at; we’re essentially the b[b]i[/b]tch of every non-enemy in the game, and we never get to see or hear anything that expresses our Guardian’s individual thoughts and emotions—only those of other characters. Our Guardian needs a spoken, expressive character so that we can be invested in him/her, and any story presented by Bungie in which he/she is a central figure. Forsaken will be about the connection between Cayde-6 and our Guardian, the impact his death has on them, how far people are willing to go for revenge, and (on Uldren’s part, most likely) the actions people are willing to commit for a loved one. I want to hear our Guardian yell Cayde’s name and scream in anger as Cayde lies dead in front of him/her, defy the Vanguard’s mandate for a diplomatic solution, bargain with Fallen to track down Uldren’s Barons, and for him/her to have a fight of words with Uldren before they draw their guns in a duel. Bungie needs to execute these things properly to have the impact they so direly need to keep players invested in the Destiny universe—and it’s a burden that our Guardian needs to carry. [spoiler]I guess you can say that Bungie has as many shots as Uldren to get the job done. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)[/spoiler]

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  • It’s cheaper for Bungie, so no voices for Guardians. You’re not a major player, just third guy from the left. Go fetch Ikora’s coffee.

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  • There’s a line in D1 during the elevator in Cayde’s Stash that has been replaced with a different line where Ghost mentions your lack of talking concerns him and how he doesn’t really understand what we’re thinking half the time. Ghost isn’t our voice because he doesn’t know what we’re thinking. I’m guessing our guardian is quiet because a) Bungie doesn’t want to hire voice actors, and b) they just don’t like talking so they let Ghost do it for them. I wanna hear them talk, though.

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  • In D2 our characters are "voiced" (or more specifically) given voice by our ghost. its a lazy and BS idea. The silent protagonist thing was a bad move IMO.

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    • Edited by Newlord devix: 6/28/2018 8:18:15 PM
      They say it makes our characters unique. That makes no sense Edit: Damn autocorrect

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    • Destiny community still waiting for voiced characters, Fallout community begging not to have them.

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      • I had a dream last night where Bungie did a Vidoc and it revealed new voices for our characters.

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      • People tend to say, "we are our characters and the player gives the reactions". Which is stupid.

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        • I dislike our Guardians. The story would be MUCH more interesting if our Guardians weren't immortal godslayers who can regain their powers shortly after losing them like it was nothing.

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          • It would be cool if our ghost was talking to us about Cayde & revenge, and for the first time in four years we respond with some kick ass Clint Eastwood type line.

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            • I've never minded the silent protagonist. In fact, I love silent protagonists. What bothers me about the silent protagonist in Destiny 2, is that there's always another character floating next to his head, speaking for him. Bungie need to either devote to having a silent protagonist, or give the protagonist a voice.

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              • I hope our ghost gets his vocal unit damaged and has to shut the -blam!- up. Fed up of that little nob taking credit when he's basically a key/med pack.

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                • I hope our characters talk again. However it will most likely be all the characters are voiced by Nolan for males. Not sure who they would pick for the female guardians.

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                  • Kids still cry about this? Hahahaha!

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                    • It's all about our 6 yr old (emotionally) Ghost, our Guardian's are just goofy looking figures next to it. Because you can overlook a Ghost, but not a guy in armour (or a dress).

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                    • You didnt hear? When we lost our stuff in D1... our voices were in the vault so...ya know...they got destroyed..

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                      • Lol I remember beating the story with my girlfriend and my cousin. At the end of it all. I tell them. I guess my guardian is a mute now. They where perplexed by what I said. I pointed out how I don't think our guardians spoke at all through the whole story. Now it bugs the hell out of my cousin. With every new cutscene lol.

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                      • Edited by xlxWarPathxlx: 6/29/2018 12:35:28 AM
                        Bungie can't write lmao Or hire anyone who can . 🤐🤐🤐🤐🤐

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                      • I agree with a lot of your points but, in my humble opinion, I don't feel like the voice of our Guardian makes or breaks the story. It's certainly missed, and the silence is annoying at times, but I still have an emotional connection to the game. But, maybe that comes from being a nerd for the lore. I've read into a lot of the characters and side stories so I feel an emotional connection to the Destiny universe as a whole. Or, maybe this really just comes from the fact that I've been playing video games since November 21, 1990, so it doesn't bother me when the main protagonist doesn't have a "voice". But, I'll give it to you: if more of the lore was in the game, and not something that needs to be hunted, it would be easier to really immerse ourselves into the universe. Which, in turn, would make it easier for everyone to ignore the lack of voice. Just my two cents :)

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                        • [quote] Are other characters talking to us, or our Ghost now? [/quote] They're talking to Ghost. We never reply or speak to anyone so why would they talk to us? As far as Forsaken is concerned I don't believe Cayde is gone for good. Uldren had to make it seem like he'd killed Cayde, else the others would have done it properly. Cayde will be back and Uldren will be redeemed. Time will tell if I'm way off or not. 😀

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                          • It will be all about hunters since that is who this game is catered to

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                            • Destiny is a story about our ghost we are just side characters or extra’s nothing more.

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                              • guess what. still no talking. they openly admitted they are moving away from cutscenes, not a sign they will have cutscenes with talking at that point is it? if you want to scream in anger feel free, your guardian is you correct? get it all out in the privacy of your home. of all the real problems that need to be fixed, this isn't one at all. this is a personal issue for you, and in no way impacts the game itself. fairly certain people bought the game to shoot aliens, not listen to their guardian speak in a cutscene.

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                                • Our Guardian is supposed to symbolize us. So when cayde dies and our guardian stands there not speaking, that is our cue to start showing emotion and let us fill the gaps. A lot of games and mmo's do this so you can be your character without the game dictating what your character thinks or says. I personally like it, while many may not and that is totally okay, but I think we should just accept this and move on. Maybe we can have a little fun with it too!

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                                  • [quote]Is our Guardian going to speak even a little bit in the Forsaken campaign?[/quote]Nope.

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                                  • They dont even want to do cutscenes anymore, do you think they care about the main character having a voice? Pretty soon the dialogs will only be text.

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                                    • At this point Ghost is the voice for both himself and us. Instead of giving the player a voice they just push anything they [i]would[/i] have said on to Ghost.

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