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4/24/2018 8:17:46 PM
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What about Charlemagne?!

Ok, so the Warming Stream went Live and I watched most of it (aka the PvE sections because I could care less about Crucible, and all I hear is Rasputin, Rasputin, Rasputin. Is the Warmind of Mars not Charlemagne, or are we just going to ignore D1 like it never happened and retcon that? In the Dust Palace strike, or some mission, or some description of some sort it states that the Dust Palace used to house the Warmind of Mars, i.e. Charlemage based on concepts. Now that would be easily dismissed if that was all we had... Except it's not. During the quest for the Sleeper Stimulant when you finally get a Warsat public event on Mars after roaming around for three hours and constantly checking Public Event tracker (remember that app?) You get a core or piece or whatever that has the initials CHLM under it's title. The ones from Earth and the Moon state RAS, for Rasputin, so obviously this would be in reference to Charlemagne and his continued continuity. But you know, I guess we can just throw that out the window, scream retcon, and pretend like I don't have a sleeper stimulant on my warlock in D1 right now that required that very piece. Not only that, but a line from D2's main campaign that scared me might actually be true. In the mission where you breach the Warming bunker on Io (which people theorize to be Joyuse based on the initials JYS) Nolanbot asks which Warmind this is as we prepare to jump down into the bunker. Ikora stares that there is only one Warmind, Rasputin. I had a conflicting opinion on that statement, maybe she just meant after the collapse and that he was the only one to survive (canon) or the more terrifying, that all other Warminds had been retconned without even telling us. Srsly bungie, get it together.
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  • Did you see the lore release yesterday ? Charlemagne is now a sub mind. The folklore-ing is complete.

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  • Thank you for reminding me about that part of the sleeper quest, I knew I saw Charlie’s initials somewhere in D1. All this talk of him not existing really bugged me, but so help me if he’s retconned out of existence I’m gonna be mad. That quest is cannon, you can’t change what we all collectively experienced. That would be like saying we never forged the touch of malice.

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  • Please point me the mission in D1 or D2 where Charlemagne is [i]specifically[/i] mentioned? As far as I'm aware it was supposed to be in the original game but got cut before release so the only mention of it is from people who read and speculate about the history. I [i]can[/i] point out the mission on D2 where Ikora clearly states that there is only 1 warmind and that is Rasputin who is somewhere on earth.

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    • in D1 the mission The Last Array, you activate an ancient array that's controlled by Rasputin, he uses it to connect to all the other defense constructs,(speculation starts here) maybe during that time he connected to the other Warmind systems seeing as he was the last active warmind he must have taken over all other satellites owned by the other Warminds like Charlemagne on Mars or Joyuese on Io it's all speculation on my part of course starting at the maybe, but here's what Ghost said as he started the Array Ghost: "The Array... it's controlled by Rasputin. The last Warmind. He won't let me in. But it's connecting to defense constructs all across the system. There could be something out there to help us survive the Darkness."

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    • [spoiler]What is lore? Bungo don’t hurt me, don’t hurt me, no more...[/spoiler]

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    • Edited by vcole1727: 4/26/2018 9:13:55 AM
      Rasputin was suppose to be the warmind on earth and Charlemagne was the one on mars but there has never been a story just make stuff up as you go. This dlc is just another disappointment. Don’t even want to play it

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    • You forget that Christine “Retcon Sally” Thompson is in charge of writing. Charlemagne is now “folklore”. Also: Rasputin will be a whiny emo teen Exo. Welcome to Destiny 90210.

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    • I think they want Mars to be the birthplace of Rasputin and that charlemange is just a submind or never existed at all bungo lol

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      • Early in the reveal stream they talk about Mars being where rasputin was "born" and then Deej kind of starts wanting them to hush about the story plot as to not give too much away. The interesting part is when Deej says something along the lines of, "I'm sure you'll explain how Rasputin got to Mars in the first place." In which the Dev laughs and says, "yeah". We'll have to wait and see. I mean...Ana is suppose to be dead and SURPRISE, she's alive. Lots of 'splainin to do.

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      • *Charlie Magma

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      • Have you forgotten the fact that Rasputin is the only warmind that survived the Collapse?

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      • Good ole Charlie Magma has decided to avoid the bad press that has been associated with the tired reskinned game.

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      • Supposedly they have a true explanation for why Rasputin is on Mars. At least, that’s what they said on stream. Whether or not they give a plausible answer is another question entirely.

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      • This is the game that still refers to Saladin as the last Iron Lord, despite us meeting two in the previous games. Then Shaxx refers to you as Young Wolf, so Rise Of Iron both happened and didn't within the same time line. Details like that obviously aren't important.

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      • You're trying to connect past and present dots. Which is work and effort, which is a foreign concept to the writing team. Besides, that's all apparently folklore, remember?

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      • <Good, Charlemagne's gone. Only good part of the story I've heard so far.>

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