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After 3 Years of Defending Bungie, I Never Thought I'd Say This... (3 Year Destiny Veteran)

Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die. EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much! EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here —�— I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL. [b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.

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  • D2 would be a good game if there was never a D1. Game devs don't understand that you never remove things from a sequel just improve the mistakes.

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    • My only gripes are that max power level and the best guns aren’t locked behind the real endgame, raid and trials, and that you chose (one of) the worst pop songs disguised as over-produced metal ever written as your soundtrack to world’s first Oryx Jr. solo.

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      • I have been saying that Destiny 1 is for adults and D2 is for children... In D1 you had to dedicate a very large amount of time just to increase your "discipline" with the right set of armour and ghost... The right "jump" with the right meelee and the right granade. Not anymore. The weapons in D2? All the same. What's the point of talking about the "right" weapon to use in the raid? If you use the "worst" weapon the result will be the same. All the time. What's the point of talking about "the best" scout rifle? Use the worst and it will take just 2 extra seconds to finish the job... Iron Banner with no level benefits? IT IS REGULAR CRUCIBLE!!!!!!!! WTF? There is only one reason to keep playing: adiction. I was adicted to "cocaine" (Destiny 1) and now I only have "crack" (Destiny 2). Any time soon I'll be in rehab.

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        • Bungie added a great story and bigger areas to move around in. The public events are awesome. Ppl only come here complaining about what they hate, only 1 in 10000 say what they like. If more ppl did both for balanced feed back u'd have a reasonable gripe. Alot of ppl wanted god rolls gone, get rid of random perks. Not that many ppl completed the raids d1, make them super easy. Ur upset cuz lvl doesn't help much well now casuals can keep up. Strikes wer awesome d1, I think that's y they kinda took aback burner this time around, still but no specific drops. Ppl need to address the community for trash input.

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          • This game fun, so this game good

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          • Destiny 1 was an addiction and was very hard to let go. Even though there wasnt much tò do afte 2+ years and DLCs Destiny 2 has helped me step away much easier much much sooner and I am not even looking forward or holding my breath for the first DLC. The whole D2 team who make these decisions needs a massive restructure. They can not take this franchise any further. Totally off point and beleive in their own hype Im done too

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            • This game is crashing. PVP player population is fast approaching Dog day volume of D1. It hit 885k yesterday, down 1.7 million in one month. It was at 200k for D1 for many months. PVE is always trending down quite a bit. PVE had 1.5mil yesterday. That is a decrease of 2 million in a 1 month period. People are dropping this like a fresh hot turd. Bye Destiny. It was fun while it lasted.

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              • Your are right the game is awful, you have to be aware that fan boys will atack if you do not say that D2 is a master piece. The numbers support you and every one that is not happy with D2. At launch D2 had 3.5 millions of players right now D2 have around 1 million of players.... yes they lose 2.5 million of players in one month and only last week lose around 400,000 players. So fan boys could say anything they want but could no hidde the reality, the game is dying.

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                • Edited by Shirtless_Captain_Kirk: 10/20/2017 8:24:49 PM
                  I agree with a lot of this but can we stop putting D1 on a f'n pedestal? It's was just not full blown aids, it was still HIV+ though.

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                • Great post. I was disappointed with the destiny 1 launch so it's no surprise d2 was the same. Their business strategy is and has been to chop up the game and underwhelm so they can seem like they're making improvements to things that should have been in the game day 1. I still love the game. I've always had hope for this game but now I'm hoping a different company makes a better fpsrpg. Lol does anyone remember the wtf bungie days?

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                  • This game good

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                    • [quote] [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. [/quote] 1. Do we need veterans stomping on newbies? 2. Hunting for god rolls was rewarding to you? Best decision they made. 3. I bet you (nor any weapon balance whiner) has tried 90% of the weapons available. 4. Who cares about ornaments? 5. Sparrows for leveling up? That's awesome! BTW, you can buy blank sparrows from Holliday and customize them yourself! 6. That... that's not even true. You get shaders from multiple sources. 7. See #5. 8. 2 days? Really? I play way too much and I haven't completed any(?) of the armor sets besides Trials. 9. Hey, yeah, I could use Strike specific loot. Not that they were ever anything more than bragging rights. 10. 4v4 is just fine. At least we don't have the camp fest 6v6 would sometimes devolve into. Now we have more emphasis on teamplay. Deal with it. 11. Are you sure? Have you checked out the misson 1AU available through Ikora? 12. Yep, you must be crazy because each exotic has an unique perk or two. Most exotics aren't overpowering like in D1, and that's a good thing. Most are still useful, or at least ..exotic. 13. And that's bad thing how? Not all play raids (I dunno why that's what I've heard). 14. I really don't need that. I played D1 from day one and never bothered to youtube any of the ghosts, I found what I found during the 3 years and never read most of their Grimoire. 15. All that is in D2. 16. Leviathan is the best Raid so far in my opinion. 17. Leviathan is the best Raid so far in my opinion. First section of Crota was cool though. Who even knew how to do the bridge without glitching? =D 18. Leviathan is the best Raid so far in my opinion. 19. Yet you want ornaments. 20. What now? Very mechanic heavy raid, this one. Story behind it is also the coolest. 21. Would ou seriously grind the limited pool of faction gear for months? No. Once a month for a week is a good solution. 22. Thank god for cutting all the other materials from the game. 23. Most hardcore players either already have all exotics or are missing a couple and do wait for Xur (I want that Tractor Cannon, now!;) 24. Arenas came in DLCs. You want year 3 in the vanilla. Dream on. 25. See #24. 26. Is it not? I don't know. It was a holiday event in D1, remember? 27. Maybe there will be a stunt sparrow at some point. I'm certainly not missing it. 28. You may play 1 subclass of 1 class tipped be your favorite youtuber, but there certainly are a lot of viable options if you really think about it. 29. They do give rep. I'd say they're probaly there for future use. 30. Oh wow how do I NOT miss leveling gear. Good riddance. 31. Yeah the matchmaking needs a fix. It's either too easy or too hard. Depends on your skill level. 32. What is useful then? There's no infinite gear generator in the game. 33. Prestige and Trials are for the non-casual. 34. I suggest trying out all that gear in your vault. Seriously take a gun you never used and use that for a full day. I put on my Lucky Pants and equipped double handcannons. What fun! 35. Remember D1 at launch? Grinding that one strike, opening patrol chests for hours. D2 certainly is a great improvement!

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                      • truth

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                      • This game good

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                      • You're too late to the party, changing your stance makes you lose all credibility.

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                      • Have to agree they went way downhill with every aspect of the game except pvp weapon balance is better but pvp options are probably the worst of any pvp game I have played. Only 4vs 4 and 2 choices with 4 game modes total. That is embarassing and bungie should be ashamed. Public events are about the only aspect of the game I feel they did better than D1. Leviathon raid is trash and they removed any reason to replay just about every activity in the game.

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                      • [quote][20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [/quote] Calus: One of these briefcases holds awesome raid gear, But one them only holds tokens. Please pick a case. Guardian: I choose briefcase #2 Audience: Awwwwww Calus: So sorry, but you only get 2 Calus Tokens.

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                      • [quote][spoiler]. [/spoiler][/quote]

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                      • The only thing i took from this was that you actually let them screw you over after 3 years of showing that theyd screw yoy over lol

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                      • I was thinking about this after I logged off this morning. I compare the rewards of VoG and Crota to The Leviathan raid and it’s terrible. There is no incentive to complete them. Fatebringer, Vision of Confluence and the Crota weapons has perks that made the raid easier. Why are the rewards from the leviathan so weak and pointless? Most are cosmetic bragging rights

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                      • I agree on so many of those points. My biggest complaint, there isn't even a reason to grind anymore. In D1, I would do my patrols every day in hopes of getting an exotic weapon quest. I miss the faction, vangaurd, and cryptarch ranks, because it was fun to compare, and grind for that next faction package to hopefully get a Dead Orbit shader. I had 2 titans and did VoG for weeks hoping to get to max light, or get a better roll on the vision. In D1, there was a feeling of being rewarded for your commitment, and that's been taken away D2. Play 3 or 4 hours a week and never do endgame content? Congrats, you can be a 305 with everything a seasoned Destiny veteran has.

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                      • D2 is not a bad game. Let me say that, however, it has MAJOR issues if it wants to keep people playing.

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                        • #boycottNov7

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                        • I agree that the game has been dumbed down quite a bit. And it's lost the loot addiction aspect in the process. And I too wish this game lived up to its immense potential instead of simply being a maximum profit business venture. But there is something to be said for the fact that esteemed players such as yourself have probably put in hundreds and hundreds of hours already. The average player like me has maybe put in 50. While I too wish there was so much content and replayability so as to provided thousands of hours of fun to everyone, that's just not realistic.

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                        • Dido

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                          • Edited by Chronos: 10/20/2017 3:23:50 PM
                            I agree with everything said here. I hope Bungie sees this, pays attention to it along with like minded opinions and starts laying out the ground work for making the game better. As it is right now, it's replay is worse then Y1 D1 was. Coming off of Y3 that shouldn't have been the case. The goal should have been to build on that not revert back to Y1 and take a steps backwards from there. As D2 stands now, it would have been better off as a DLC to add to D1 rather than a separate skeleton game.

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