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After 3 Years of Defending Bungie, I Never Thought I'd Say This... (3 Year Destiny Veteran)

Hey all - Pwnzor here, Kill Confirmed represent. Frankly I feel strange. The Destiny 2 experience seems for the first time ... hopeless. I have defended Bungie for 3 years on every fault. Now.. I just don't know. After the Prestige Raid yesterday, I had one of those stare towards the sky with Crawling in my Skin playing as I question my commitment for the last 2 months - 3 years. For the first time ever, I feel Bungie has won - making their $60-110 buy in per player, and not giving the players what was so proudly delivered in the years of D1. Game is bought, with expansion pass, and the $10 starter Eververse package, and thats all they wanted it seems --- which makes sense from a business standpoint. Maximum profit for minimal effort. I will still continue to play, mostly Trials and PVP cause I enjoy them a lot in any game, but there are real issues that need to be addressed. [b]Quick Backstory (slight boasting to give you perspective):[/b] I never thought I'd see the day where I made a post like this. I have played Destiny in its entirety since its inception in 2014. I was one of the first 50 Fireteams to complete Vault of Glass, Crotas End, POE 32/34/35 (night 1 of HOW), Kings Fall. I was the Worlds First Titan to Solo Crota (just google Mr Pwnzor). I have gone Flawless as many times as I've stepped into Trial to try. I have completed the D2 raid on 2 separate accounts over 15 times. I have collected every exotic in all versions of the game. [u][b]NOW GETTING INTO THE ISSUES[/b][/u] On a given forum, there is normally a complaint about a few things that could use tuning. When you isolate those issues, they can be defended by a majority of hardcore players. When you compile the list and really stare at it, it's really just not something I can defend. If the technology and innovation for the below existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2? [b]"It's Crazy to Me” (My gripe with D2):[/b] [1] It's crazy to me that Power Level doesnt matter [2] It's crazy to me that they removed Weapon Rolls for replayability [3] It's crazy to me that 90% of Guns are useless regardless of [2] [4] It's crazy to me that Armor Ornaments no longer exist in game [5] It's crazy to me that Sparrow collection comes entirely from Eververse [6] It's crazy to me that Shader collection (less Trials and Raid) comes entirely from Eververse [7] It's crazy to me that Ship collection comes entirely from Eververse [8] It's crazy to me Token Systems become irrelevant after playing for 2 days [9] It's crazy to me that there are no Strike Specific Loot Options [10] It's crazy to me that there isn't a 6v6, 3v3, or additional PVP options [11] It's crazy to me that there are no Secret Exotics or Easter Eggs (Oryx Basketball Court) [12] It's crazy to me that Exotics look unique, feel unique, but do not act unique [13] It's crazy to me that Max Power Level can be reached with never doing endgame [14] It's crazy to me that there are no means of World Collection (Ghost, Calcified Frags, etc). [15] It's crazy to me that Raids give no incentive for replay-ability (seriously - I used to farm the SH!T out of raids for Ships, Raid Coveted Exotics, Shaders, etc.) [16] It's crazy to me that Vault of Glass is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [17] It's crazy to me that Crotas End is 3 years older and yet seems 3 years ahead of Leviathan [18] It's crazy to me that Kings Fall is 2 years older and yet seems 2 years ahead of Leviathan [19] It's crazy to me that Hard Mode (and frankly Normal Mode) Raid are simply for Vanity [20] It's crazy to me that Leviathan Raid is a Gameshow and not a Raid [21] It's crazy to me that Factions do not always exist [22] It's crazy to me that I have 2700 Legendary Shards and nothing to spend them on [23] It's crazy to me that no one looks forward to Xur [24] It's crazy to me that there is no arena like POE [25] It's crazy to me that there is no open world arena like Court of Oryx/Archons Forge [26] It's crazy to me that Sparrow Racing isnt in the game [27] It's crazy to me that Sparrows cant do backflips like the Hotwheels Sparrow TDB model [28] It's crazy to me that the meta leans towards 1 path 1 subclass for each class [29] It's crazy to me that Planetary Materials are useless [30] It's crazy to me that gear doesn't require being upgraded (took legit 3 seconds) [31] It's crazy to me that Trials isnt even hard this year [32] It's crazy to me that Public Events, Lost Sectors, Chest Looting, Adventures - are all useless [33] It's crazy to me that this Game is so casual it has driven all of my best mates away [34] It's crazy to me that I will continue to play with hopes of it becoming better [35] It's crazy to me that I can even see myself playing a different game soon, only 1 month after release. TL:DR The technology and innovation for the above existed in D1, why have so many things have been left out of D2. If it is a means of having people pay for more Content, then that is just wrong. Bungie has made the game too casual in an attempt to cater to everyone. Even the casuals find it too casual. Hoping there is a light at the end of this Dark, Dark tunnel. I can guarantee one thing - if there isn't a raid being release in the December DLC, alongside a complete loot system and token system overhaul, then this game is going to die. EDIT: All - just wanted to say thank you all for reading and providing your comments, concerns, and criticisms. We have been top trending for almost 24 hours. Trials has been canceled since this post (crazy?). I will continue to play PVP but let’s hope bungie makes the little changes we would enjoy so much! EDIT 2: Guardians, we’ve reach 1000 upvotes which is truly something else! I wish I could respond to all of your questions and concerns but there are just so many posts now. I’ll give some quick general responses here —�— I think pvp is fun and don’t have many issues (I know many do), I think selling old features as DLC is cash grabbing, I love destiny still just want the inherently needed changes, population should not be dropping this fast, any comprehensive MMORPG in history has expanded its world not shrunk it regardless if they dumbed it down, Trials being canceled makes me sad; all being said I am GOING TO STAY HOPEFUL. [b]ADDITIONALLY -[/b] I have put a job application in with Bungie. As an avid video gamer and dedicated player since Halo 1, with professional experience in WOW and other titles, I feel I could help the team. I am a mechanical and control systems engineer doing project management in New York City currently. My background and professional experience certainly makes me qualified. This has always been a dream of mine - I haven’t given up yet, so maybe I can help. Hope Luke Smith or Cozmo see this and spread the word lol.

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  • 5 days to reach level 20 and seemingly nowhere else to go. I too hold out some slim hope things will get better but have also learned that while the $$ flows hope for something better may be futile. I left WoW after 10 years because the daily grind finally got to be too much. At least Blizzard releases new content and raids that are interesting and worth playing. This initial D2 release is pathetic and I'm sorry I spent $90 for the preorder. I hoped with Blizzard buying into this game it would be interesting for at least a few months or until the first update. I have little hope of that happening but that does not mean no hope.

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  • 2000 upvotes later and they put out a public response for plans to come! Stay hopeful guardians. This post and all the others with major traction are forcing them to listen.

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    • looter shooter with NO loot worth getting. the ENTIRE team should be fired.

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    • Well said Guardian

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    • Go u

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    • First of all: Thanks man for sharing, it's so nice to see someone that has so much more experience than we within the destiny universe that I can relate to. The thing I believe is one of the problems for me is that in D1 it took me hundreds of hours just to understand the meta and what to do with the raid, legendary coins, Xur etc. Not only that but it took so much time just to get all legendary gear and to finetune my subclass to something that matches my playstyle. There was a curiosity to explore the game and to understand it. To get an exotic was so extremely cool. But in D2 3 weeks in and Xur is redundant because I already have all the exotics I need and don't care about it anymore. I needed exotics in D2 just to level up, not to make my playstyle better but just to dismantle and infuse. Shure, there is a lot of fine-tuning that has made some of the backend things much better, but the freedom of creating your own character and playstyle is gone. I remember the days when there was almost a weekly tuning of weapon balance. But now I haven't seen that at all. And sure the PC release is coming soon, but it feels like the console gamers are beta tester for the pc release. I get the same feeling like when playing Gears of War 3, Halo 4 or some other release where the heart in the game is gone. It looks the same and it feels the same but there is no innocent happiness in the creation, the monetization and consumerist are too big of a thing. The main problem as I see it is that Destiny has turned from something hard and challenging and that really needed the dedication from the player to become good at and get max light level (no matter what they call it it will always be light level to me <3). There was a lore that was in a way hidden but that felt like a part of the lore, to be in this universe and just wake up time after time and feel the humanity in me had died bit by bit everytime I got killed. And feel how my history disappeared with every step to preserve humanity from extinction, it almost felt like being some kind of Indiana Jones to find the small pieces and understand the lore and share it with others. The soullessness of the NPC from vanilla felt like a part of the lore. In D1 I felt like just another guardian and someone who needed to fight to get acknowledged by my peers (Ikora <3) and I felt a bond to other warlocks since I only interacted with Ikora. But now I am a special snowflake and a superhero and everything, I don't need to fight to do anything I am THE ONE guardian that is awesome. There was a more emotional connection with my ghost in D1, it wasn't a perfect relationship, and sure the ghost felt heartless in its speech module (dinkle <3) but there was something raw and beautiful in that relation. No one saw me as a unique guardian, I needed to fight to get that attention, but on that steep ladder, I always knew that I had a socially awkward ghost that would help me. I don't feel a bond to anyone in D2, not even my ghost. And IF I am this awesome guardian that everyone looks up to but no one understands, then I want to just be able to go far far away to find my purpose in this world. Sorry for all the rambling, I just miss the heart in D2. I was hoping something good would come up in the twitch live stream regarding seasons, but it was just cosmetic and that made me sad. My clan is dying and I don't know what to do.

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      • Well written. While I don't agree with all your points, majority are valid and something I hope Bungie takes note of. This game is truly starting to feel "Maximum profit for minimal effort." Good times if you're a Bungie/Activision business professional, not so much for the everyday Destiny gamer.

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      • 3 year Destiny veteran saying this: every year had it's high points and low points, but even at it's low points it was still a fun game. It is at it's lowest point right now but it is still a lot of fun. It's just that after playing for 3 years we needed something new, some new experience and all we got was a reskinned version of the game we played for 3 years (which is still fun, but not new). I'm still playing Destiny 2 each week, but not all week.

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        • If you get a job with them, which I hope you do, tell them to go back to the old weapon system. Where snipers and the likes are in the secondary slot. All these primary's are host boring to me. I know some prefer the new system for PVP but that could of been made into a single game mode. That way everybody could have been happy.

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        • Nearly 2000 upvotes (at the time of this post) and not one acknowledgement from Bungie. They would be a lot better off, if they addressed the sentiment everyone has at the moment - instead, it creates hysteria and hatred towards them. It's always best to try and open a dialogue, calms some people down at least - myself included sometimes.

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          • “Yea this game sucks” #FreeDabest

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          • Already saw this earlier this week, but I saw it again with 1911 likes. That's a funny for all the gun nuts like me out there.

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          • How’s trials going this weekend for you OP.... lol man these guys are absolutely crazy with this game right now. It’s so sad to see yet so horrid. #makedestinygreatagain

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            • More whiny toddlers. Makes it easy to find who to mute.

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              • Stopped reading at “Hey there - (name omitted) here” I don’t care who you are, you’re gamertag or psn is already on your post.

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                • [36] it's crazy after a month and half cabbage is still there and they can't fix it.

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                • I enjoyed vanilla D1 more. I loved the forever 29 grind, it kept me coming back. And VOG weapons, I never did get a Mythoclast.

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                  • It's crazy to me that sniper rifles are moved to heavy weapons from energy weapons and instead have become useless. lol WTF bungie.. WTF.

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                  • I have 910 Raid completions I soloed Crotas End so many times bring back All the old Raids to Destiny 2 I have 830 completions for Crotas End I have 29 completions for Kings Fall I have 43 completions for Vault of Glass I have 8 completions for Wrath of Machine Bring back old Raids in the last update Make them more playable Bring back back exclusive strike gear I want Bungie to bring back great stuff from D1

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                    • To quote dabest "yeah this game sucks."

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                    • Wow, they sure need you! Currently, Bungie will realize that people will quit the game they change it. In the past, people wouldn't voice their opinions, so the game stayed shitty, and people slowly died off. Giving Bungie loads of criticism will help them improve their game, and ultimately tell them that we're all gone unless they "get their shit together."

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                    • How's everyone doing? Ready for Snowball fights and Ice hockey with reskinned Dawning armour sets? I know I am! Diet Destiny > Destiny 1 [spoiler]I shouldn't have to say it...[/spoiler]

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                    • A bump for you, my good sir. A very well induced post full of constructive criticism.

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                    • I actually created a second account to go and play through destiny 1 again

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                      • Another bump

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