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10/17/2017 12:00:11 PM
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My question is how the Dev team actually thought this version was better in the first place? We actually went backwards!
Prequels work in movies, not so much with Bungie.
If I were you I wouldn’t hold my breath.
And I’m a Bungie Fan but they shit the bed on this one.
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Probably time, resources (money), and deadlines. That's how.
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Edited by Freak: 10/17/2017 6:35:32 PMThe question was rhetorical and I don’t buy that Bungie had issues with resources. They after all made the original. A deadline? Maybe... All I know is if they want this sequel to succeed they have a lot of things to fix with no time to fix them in. December’s dlc is right around the corner.
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Time is a resource as are the employees and their time as well. They were likely working in this as D1 launched and couldn't course correct fast enough. Let's hope they can. They need it.
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I understand but you put time then money in parentheses next to resources so I was talking on that subject. But I agree they need a major overhaul.
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It was delayed a year, then have 3 companies working on it, and it's a shambles. Incompetence off the charts
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Time is money. Anymore all the huge titles seem to get pushed out the door like this. Don't know why anyone is surprised
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Tbh, it's not actually broken gameplay wise. It's just been really badly designed from the ground up regarding replayability. N the pvp decision is baffling, 4v4, yet no custom games? How to piss off the competitive and casual playerbase in 1 foul swoop
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I like the 4v4 just fine. But yeah I don't understand the no private games option. That's just dumb
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With the TTK so slow, 4v4 just isn't fun for many.
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Idk. 1-1.5 seconds is pretty fast. A lot of people don't like it because there is less going on so they are less likely to find the low hanging fruit. Most players in all games generally just run in blindly hoping for a pick. Your punished for that playstyle now. I'm guilty, everyone is at some point. But I'm ok with it. But I like games like that.
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Edited by TeddyBundy: 10/18/2017 5:55:35 AM1-1.5s is extrelemy high. D1‘s 0.8-1s already was a bit too extreme what forced people to overuse ohk things like shotguns/snipers/stickies. If Primaries would kill in 0.6-0.8s all those Special nerfs/removals wouldn‘t have been necessary at all.
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That's too low imo. Those are Cod like kill times where it's who sees who first and camps better, no real duels. But I've always been more on the side of halo and gears type games with dueling and movement. Different people like different things though
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CoD is 0.2-0.3s. That‘s not a good comparison. But the fact is, Destiny could still have aweome weapons, godrolls, Specials, etc. if the TTK on all Primaries would be 0.6-0.8s. If Primaries are effective, people wouldn‘t try to evade them. In D2 you‘re just forced to use your xrappy Promary because everything else got nerfed so hard that is became unimportant.
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And that's why I don't care for that game. That's way too low. I think it's fine where it's at. It's at a speed where you can get away and outshoot someone if you're better. Yeah not always but that's where map position choice and movement comes in. What people want is to be able to gun someone down if they see them first with no duel. That's why everyone hates last hope and last dance and hated thorn and last word in the first game. You can't do anything about it if they're competent unless you use the same weapons. There will surely be changes coming to level out usage. They do it based on data and thanks to YouTube and forms 90% of us all use the same stuff. So it's coming. It will be a leveling, not lowering everything
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When every weapon performs well, no one is pissed. It‘s the fact that Bungle is unable to balance a stone on a street that causes the anger. When one weapon is significantly superior to all others, it‘s unfair/shitty. And it still is no matter how fast the weapon kills. It kills faster than all others, that‘s the problem. It doesn‘t matter if it‘s 0.5s or 5s. Dueling? In this game you can‘t even duel with someone because the fight takes so long that when your enemy is down there comes another enemy that picks your last sliver of health. Teamshooting is by far the most effective „strategy“...everyone is forced to play the „holding dicks“ game. That‘s not fun if everything plays the exact same. Trials literally plays the same as any other PvP gamemode in this game. Boring.
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In every game there is always a best weapon. And there always will be. I'm fine with how it plays. I find people solo all the time. Otherwise I try to do what I can and enjoy the challenge. Most here don't want a challenge.
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It‘s simple: Either you like a slow paced and boring PvP that always plays the same or not. If you like it, fine. If not, don‘t play it. That‘s what happens right now...more and more players leave the game because the PvE endgame is empty and shallow and PvP is slow and boring.
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Most of the posts I'm reading the between the lines version is that they're getting wrecked. So they don't like it lol. It's just boring to them because they're not doing the wrecking, or they actually think that. And right now it's not always the same. I had a lot of wild IB games. But yeah most play the same for the most part
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Edited by TeddyBundy: 10/18/2017 3:52:55 PMPersonally I‘m not that bad. But even games where I get a 4+ efficiency with 15+ kills on my own feel boring. That‘s my problem. I never was a statwhore, it always was about fun. I hated Thorn and Snipers and I hated lag yet I loved Crucible overall. Right now I don‘t love anything about it except the Synthoceps build and Swords for trolling. And that makes me sad because I want to have that powerhouse vs. powerhouse feeling back. :,(
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Tractor cannon is way more fun to troll with for me.
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Well, don‘t squirt out another sequel in just three years if you can‘t do it right. Simple logic.
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They got a lot right. It's close. But no matter what they do people will say it sucks as they have since D1
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Edited by TeddyBundy: 10/17/2017 8:49:32 PMNope. Removing major quality of life improvements and good major features of the first game got is stupid and they deserve every shitstorm they‘re getting. They did some things right and many things wrong.
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Even if they added that people would still complain.
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Far less and about far less important stuff.
