Royal Baths are decently challenging and entertaining, quite balanced. Gauntlet is a bit ridiculous with its strict requirement for near perfection, but fun when done right. The relic stealing sections can be annoying with incompetent defenders but is overall a nice way to prepare yourself for the next trial. Pleasure Gardens, however, drag the entire raid down, its got everything done wrong, stealth but it's terrible unlike Gorgons in VoG, RNG in both the flower locations and if a hound will randomly see you or not, a horrible empowerment grabbing gimmick, a time trial (a time trial in a STEALTH SECTION!!!) and of course, a team wipe. Each of these things isn't bad alone, it's that they're all crammed into one section, I could go on for hours about how terrible this trial is, most importantly the hounds shouldn't become restless because it necessitates speed in a section where you need to go slow, the random AI of the dogs who will sometimes not see you when you're right in front of them and sometimes see you when you're half the map away, the obnoxious need to get at least x48 empowerment to even have a chance of killing the dogs, and the fact that killing the dogs only makes the section harder. I hate this raid almost exclusively for Pleasure Gardens, it needs to be fixed. The boss is also kinda stupid, if one slight misstep happens, your run is over, all of the people who remain in the dark dimension [b]have[/b] to survive the entire time so they can call out the symbols and gain empowerment. The people who return to the main area aren't any better off with the massive wave of enemies, many of which are shielded, assaulting the team with little to no cover, and when you finally do get to damage the boss, only a select few weapons are even viable in doing so. Minor note is that the impact on the story is the worst so far as well. We can kill two demon gods, a robot who can control time, and a machine zombie...but a fat king somehow is completely elusive? And if his robotic doubles are so powerful, why not use them to conquer the universe instead of sending in hordes of Psions and Legionaries? Doesn't make any sense to me but whatever. Weapons and armor are pretty subpar too, I mean they're not hideous, and they're way better looking than the horrible and bland weapons and armor obtained everywhere else, but it's not as good as any of the first game's raid gear, and their unique perks are pretty boring too. Another note is how there's only 1 real boss...you see I liked fighting multiple bosses more, that was way more fun, you learn their unique mechanics and all that, no stupid stealth sections or anything like that, just a fireteam and a boss (and the minions he brings with him) with nothing standing between you and victory but killing that bad boy. Those were the days. Worse yet is that this raid has forever soured the taste of raiding for my friends, who are new to Destiny, they don't even want to do another raid ever again! That's pretty bad considering even the most gimmicky raid in D1, King's Fall, never made people hate raids, as far as I'm aware. All in all worst raid I've ever played and I've played 'em all, not that I expected to love it more than WotM, but I was hoping it wouldn't be completely awful, which it is. Hoping the following raids won't make me want to kill myself.