Sshhhhh- people hate facts

Sure, there are other factors to consider. But you have to understand that those factors may change in D2. You are taking these factors out of context. Knowing why doesn't disprove what OP is saying. He simply is trying to say that most people are complaining about a PvE experience that they haven't experienced yet. Who knows how ammo will work in D2? Who knows how much health boss' will have? Who knows whether or not that sniper, or rocket, will be needed at THE SAME TIME? Who knows whether or not these changes are good or bad until they have played the game? The chart pointed out one thing. Primary weapon usage is very abundant in PvE. And all these people complaining that they cant use a sniper and a rocket at the same time simply are complaining to complain because at the end of the day. .... Do you really NEED both? or do you WANT both? That is what OP is trying to say.

[quote]Sure, there are other factors to consider. But you have to understand that those factors may change in D2. You are taking these factors out of context. [/quote] No I'm not taking anything out of context. I'm analyzing a piece of evidence put in front of me, and dissecting it's value to what is being presented. D2 is not here yet and as with any topic things are subject to change. [quote]Knowing why doesn't disprove what OP is saying. He simply is trying to say that most people are complaining about a PvE experience that they haven't experienced yet. [/quote] Which part does it not disprove? The fact that the chart is an extremely limited pov, or the fact that weapon kills are not the same as weapon usage? I know what the OP was getting at with what he was posting. Doesn't make the provided evidence any less biased, or simple in this case. No need for a chart that we all know without having to look up information to try and prove that a new system is a good thing. [quote]Who knows how ammo will work in D2? Who knows how much health boss' will have? Who knows whether or not that sniper, or rocket, will be needed at THE SAME TIME? Who knows whether or not these changes are good or bad until they have played the game? [/quote] All valid points that will be answered in the future. We don't know. [quote]The chart pointed out one thing. Primary weapon usage is very abundant in PvE. And all these people complaining that they cant use a sniper and a rocket at the same time simply are complaining to complain because at the end of the day. .... Do you really NEED both? or do you WANT both?[/quote] Again it was a weapon kills chart NOT a weapon usage chart. It was also for ONE SPECIFIC DAY. Statistical charts and scientific charts do not take sample sizes of one day seriously, because that data can easily be misrepresented. If I go flip a coin now and it lands in heads, can I statistically say that it will always be heads 50% of the time based off that single flip? No you can't. There are other factors to take into consideration when dealing with charts like these, and even after you have your results, you have to gather the research as to why something happened (ironically where Bungie failed with the weapon balances as well). It's a no brainer that PRIMARY weapons will show more usage, because there are factors put into place that limit the usage of the other two weapons. All you have to do is look at the ammo drops to figure that one out. It's not rocket science. With regards to your final statement, people will always complain. It's in our nature to do so. So is both a rocket and sniper important enough to need, it depends on what you will encounter. To the want aspect, that's also depends on the person. If you want my personal perspective, they should have never changed the weapon system. It was different and unique to this franchise. However, Bungie is too wrapped up in past glory to see what a genius design they had. Now it's just pathetic, streamlined and lazy. Just like every other change they have done. But the real question is, what will they change again in the future of this franchise? Will they overhaul the entire system again because they didn't like the way players tried to play their game? Signs point to Yes. Tangents aside, I want the current system in place, and not the D2 system. It was different and unique and part of what drew me to this game in the first place. By removing that, my draw has also been removed. I'm not saying I'm not going to give the new system a chance, but I'll be hard pressed to be as involved with this game as I was D1. -LK

But I gave you a year and a half worth of the stats showing it to be consistent. Also I'm not sure how kills and usage don't go hand in hand. You get kills with weapons you're using.

[quote]But I gave you a year and a half worth of the stats showing it to be consistent. Also I'm not sure how kills and usage don't go hand in hand. You get kills with weapons you're using.[/quote] Do you always get a kill with that special or heavy every time you use it? Or do you sometimes tap them with a primary to conserve ammo? Or kill with an ability? Or use them as a DPS tool for a boss, but finish the boss a different way.? They do not go hand in hand.

Lol, you're really reaching. Come on, let's be real. 1) you can apply that both ways and 2) even if you want to make that argument over the single day stats, the year and a half bear or usage.

All fair points. But you are missing the biggest point. Even if primaries aren't used that much in PvE. .... People are still complaining about special weapons/heavy weapons all being power weapons in D2 and prematurely equating this to the game being less "fun" or claiming that they NEED to have both a sniper and a rocket. Even if the chart is whack. OP was making a true statement: No one knows how any of these changes are actually going to play out.... so instead of complaining about something you cannot even begin to understand. Be patient. Great breakdown of the chart tho. Still doesn't give credence to all the complainers that haven't even played D2. If you could not infer that meaning from OP's post then there ya go.

[quote]All fair points. But you are missing the biggest point. Even if primaries aren't used that much in PvE. .... People are still complaining about special weapons/heavy weapons all being power weapons in D2 and prematurely equating this to the game being less "fun" or claiming that they NEED to have both a sniper and a rocket. [/quote] People love to complain about the unknown. Change is difficult for people in differing ways. 3 years of BS helps to fuel that mentality. There are people who also share similar feelings to me that Destiny 2 lost Destiny's "it" factor due to this change. I wouldn't say the complaints or concerns are premature. Just like I won't say that people having blind faith is premature. In the end they are entitled to their opinions and thoughts, regardless. [quote]Even if the chart is whack. OP was making a true statement: No one knows how any of these changes are actually going to play out.... so instead of complaining about something you cannot even begin to understand. Be patient. [/quote] Agree that nobody knows. It could be the best change ever, or it could be a disaster that threatens the very future of this franchise. You just don't know. However, past mistakes allow people to be overly critical of things, and let's face it, primaries were the most underpowered weapons in the game at TTK launch, and they kept getting worse. When you have years of that going on, you can easily make rational arguments on that understanding. [quote]Great breakdown of the chart tho. Still doesn't give credence to all the complainers that haven't even played D2. If you could not infer that meaning from OP's post then there ya go.[/quote] Even those at the reveal invite did not directly play D2 but rather what amounts to a demo disc to get your appetite wet. For me, I'll let my own experiences with the "demo" give me my perspective in the end, not because someone told me it was the best they have played, but because I'm the judge of my own tastes in a game. Appreciate the kind words on my breakdown. -LK

[quote]For me, I'll let my own experiences with the "demo" give me my perspective in the end, not because someone told me it was the best they have played, but because I'm the judge of my own tastes in a game[/quote] Isn't that exactly what my post is asking?

Hmmm come to think of it, that was the underlining message amidst all the statistical data, for people to think for themselves. Guess I got too involved at statistical chart analysis that I overlooked that, lol. Whoops

Know the sample size is limited by a single day for specific numbers but here is going back as far as their stats go to October 2015 http://i.imgur.com/PQRc8Ip.jpg Top four lines are ARs, Scouts, Pulse and hand cannons. I'm not saying this is the only reason, but I'm saying that PvE was 100% factored into the change. Damage stats really don't matter in what I'm trying to show which is that most PvE encounters are overcome with primary weapons. Also as pointed out, three of the best boss dpsing weapons in the game are primaries. We also have no idea how badass they might be in D2 or anything about what new perks they might have.

You do realize that link you posted in response is on the best crucible weapons, right? Upper left corner of that image clearly states that. Figured I'd point that fact out in case you were unaware.

Yah that was my main criticism. Kills aren't that representative when it's more the damage out put rather than the kill it's self that represents usage. I may tap a primary on a major at the end of his health but only to save sword ammo for the next one.

[quote]Strikes are similar to raids. Raids require specific weapons at specific times to maximize damage. You are not going to sit and DPS a boss character with primary as you are sort of on time clocks[/quote] Don't play many strikes do you? Many weeks,be it strikes,PoE,or daily heroic story missions, when small arms is active you take down bosses with primaries.Maybe on a HC,AR,or pulse rifle but many will use scouts since they have high impact with high ammo reserves. Ever since RoI and I got Chaos Dogma that is all I ever used to take down those taken champions,used Gally to take out the the majors and adds but 100% boss damage was done with a scout rifle and rather fast when you rarely have to reload if you can keep hitting crit shots.