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4/27/2017 1:59:58 AM
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Stopped reading at "have 3 hours for a raid"
What team takes 3 hours? You're doing something extremely wrong if you're in there for 3 hours and you're not all raid virgins.
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Edited by SebastienC: 4/27/2017 9:14:52 PMRespectfully JS, check out this piece of Wikipedia wisdom. Pay special attention to the [b]bold[/b] part: "The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which low-ability individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly assessing their ability as much higher than it really is. Psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger attributed this bias to a metacognitive incapacity, on the part of those with low ability, to recognize their ineptitude and evaluate their competence accurately. Their research also suggests corollaries: [b]high-ability individuals may underestimate their relative competence and may erroneously assume that tasks which are easy for them are also easy for others[/b]." That bold part, I think, applies to you. Not you only, as these forums provide many examples of "OMFG people find this hard? Gid gud skrubs!" posts. But to average raiders, raiding is still hard and setting aside 3 hours is certainly reasonable.
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Just post: "MAh! I'm better and you suck!"
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isn't the post focused on players new to raiding?
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I don't raid unless I have at least 2 hours of free time. Lfg is a pain. You never know what you're going to get. 2-3 hours is a good amount of time because it gives you a chance to wipe a million times if necessary, or leave groups and join new ones a million times if necessary (groups are bad/toxic, people rage quit, etc.). Also it ensures that you absolutely won't have to get up and leave to do something in the middle of a raid. I use lfg, very rarely do I find a good team and beat a raid in less than an hour, especially now that they've been brought up to current light.
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Sorry bro. Even experienced raid teams can be stymied at times for a lot of different reasons. Also, OP is specifically targeting newer raiders. When you're sherpa'ing new raiders through, you may in fact wipe several times at Templar, Atheon, Lamps, Bridge, etc., especially in the 390 raids. Not everyone's a raiding pro.
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Trash talk
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Dumb comment.
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I can find one dumber and comment hi on it. [spoiler]hi[/spoiler]
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If you are running with a team of veteran raiders then you aren't obviously going to need that much time. If every player is pulling their A game you can finish most in 45 min. I advise 3 hours as sadly most new raiders don't have solid teams yet. 3 hours gives them plenty of time to get through a raid providing numerous wipes, people leaving, and or glitches. This post was meant more for newer raiders versus pros.
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If you're talking about full teams of fresh raiders who have never even watched a video of the encounter yes that's true. This is an unlikely scenario with the current state or destiny and the point of time in destiny's life span we're at. If even 1 or 2 of your 6 members have experience with the raid it shouldn't take you more than 1.5 - 2 hours. I'm part of a raid sherpa clan and I'm one of the more experienced sherpas. I've never had a raid even with raid virgins that lasts longer than 1.5 - 2 hours. That may just be due to my communication skills and ability to explain fights extremely well, but at this point in time finding people who can explain shouldn't be hard. Communication shouldn't be a problem either as it's a key component of raiding. As I said you shouldn't take 3 hours in a raid ever unless you're talking about full teams of noobs who have never done it. I can sympathize with them however as there is a large amount of elitism in this community in regards to raiding.
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?? Full teams of newbs is more like 5 hours. If you're in a sherpa group, then you guys are experienced enough to get 1-3 guys through it relatively quickly. But have you [i]been[/i] in a group of rando's lately? 3 hours is about average. Not every group is a sherpa group dude, most people out there are ridiculous. Generally speaking, 3 hours isn't too much to ask to set aside time.
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Condescending comments like these have no place in this post. If you truly have never spent three hours on a raid in your life, you either: -don't ever use LFG. -haven't raided that much. -have impossiblely good luck getting LFG teams. -are straight lying.
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I'm part of a clan that does raid sherpa runs and I'm one of the better sherpas. I've never had a team that took more than 1.5 - 2 hours and these are with people who have never done a raid. If you have even 1 or 2 good raiders you can make the raid monumentally faster by being able to explain extremely well. Communication is key and even with noobs they perform well if you communicate with them. That's such an incredible concept isn't it? I'll repeat myself and say this again. If you're in a raid for more than 3 hours and you're not all raid virgins you're doing something wrong. Either that or the person who has done the raid before is bad at explaining or has a bad memory.
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Then you simply haven't ran enough raids with an all LFG group. I'm just jealous.
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Hey man, I use LFG a lot and I never have to spend more than 3 hours ever. I have good 250+ raid completions with just LFG. Hell this week, we ran a VoG in 37 minutes with an all LFG group. It's not a super fast time, but for LFG it's a fairly smooth run. Don't put the blame on everyone else.
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This ^
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If I get into a bad raid group (you can tell very quickly) I leave, I don't waste my time 1hr 30m tops with a eh group
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Had an aksis checkpoint one day that I LFG'd because I didn't need challenge or anything and noone other than me had over 10 completions. We killed aksis in 10 minutes. People act like LFG is so garbage when it's not if you're smart.
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He didn't say it SHOULD take that long. He's saying set the time aside because you never know what's going to happen. And if it's LFG, 3 hours is a pretty good time frame.
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Agreed.
