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Edited by Fal Chavam: 3/3/2017 2:34:24 PM
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Destiny's Endgame. Part 1.

Howdy all. I welcome you to a special post I put together to try and get a coherent look of what I believe could be destiny’s endgame. (as in, the entire series not just one game) Essentially this will be a combination of a few of my previous theory posts. Connecting the dots to the very end. Let’s get started. So as you all know, there’s an overarching enemy in destiny that is referred to as “The Darkness.” This is very vague and gives us little to nothing to work with in terms figuring out who this enemy is. However, this enemy has left behind some hints as to what it can do, and even a proper name. We’ll start with the name . Rasputin has fought the darkness itself before. He met it at “the gate of the garden.” (I’ll get into that later) He refers to the Darkness as “IT.” (GF: Mysteries) “IT” shows up in another card. He is talking to what is presumed to be the stranger and he gives “IT” and name and a very short description.[quote][the flower eater, the queen of final shapes, that which also inhabits its petitioners][/quote](GF: Rasputin 4) Now we have a name, and we can confirm that the Darkness is its own entity. Now that we have a name, let’s get down to what it can do. This is the juicy part of the post as it sets up how the collapse happened, why the exos were made, why we can’t seem to find the bodies of the darkness’ army. To be entirely honest, this may explain almost everything. To find out what the Darkness can do, look no further than the Black heart. Some say the heart could be a hive worm that the Vex capture long ago. Others say the Heart is a relic of the Darkness itself. I believe there is a middle ground between these two positions. The vex captured a few hive worms eons ago. I used to think the heart was just a relic of darkness, but I didn’t consider the fact that the worms grow with worship and tribute. The vex likely decided to direct worship at just one worm to maximize efficiency. Assuming the vex didn’t lose the worm and they didn’t overfeed it, the worm would have had plenty of time to grow. On that note, It may have become powerful enough to manifest itself into a being of the darkness itself. As Oryx wanted to be the King of final shapes, that worm may very well be the Queen of final shapes. Speaking of Oryx, let’s look at what he can do. (As he’s the only other person known to have spoken with the darkness itself or “The deep”) Oryx possesses the ability to “take.” If you look at the heart and a taken blight, you may notice they look very similar. Not only do they look similar, but they react almost exactly the same. [url=https://youtu.be/yc6HX86rP_k?t=9m]The Black Heart defeated.[/url] [url=https://youtu.be/ifhj5xWhmck?t=1m20s]Taken blight defeated[/url] Notice that these two things disappear in a blinding light when the majors around/sustaining them are killed. The beings around the taken blights are always taken. One could assume the beings controlled by the black heart are much the same. They’ve been “taken”, but in a different way. How can I prove that they’re “taken” by the black heart. A picture and a Quote: [quote]I met IT at the gate of the garden and I recall IT smiled at me before before IT devoured the blossoms with [b]black flame[/b] and pinned their names across the sky.[/quote](GF: Mysteries) [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/images/thumb/f/f7/SolProgenyGrimoireCard.jpg/300px-SolProgenyGrimoireCard.jpg]The Sol Progeny[/url], Happens to have a sort of black flame-like stuff coming off of them. And they aren’t the only ones with that black fire. [url=https://www.destinypedia.com/images/thumb/9/91/Qodron_Gate_Lord.jpg/260px-Qodron_Gate_Lord.jpg]Qodron[/url] also has this black flame, and as his card states, he is not a prisoner in the prison of elders. He is there with a purpose and that purpose seems very primitive at first, but when you apply the principle of tithing, it becomes clear what his purpose is. Qodron went to the prison as an extension of the Queen of final shapes to kill guardians (and other) to feed her (or rather, her worm). And the fact that he is still surrounded by a black flame, [b]after[/b] the heart was destroyed, leads me to believe there is more than one black heart. (as the black heart may act as a sort of tithing shrine similar to Oryx’s old shrine on the moon.) Or the Queen of final shapes hold more power outside this realm than we think. But let’s put that on the back burning for now, let’s get back to the Heart and the “taking” thing. So I think the heart is something similar to a taken blight that was created by the worm that was captured by the vex. The vex gave the worm tribute until it became powerful enough to commune with the darkness itself. But the worm was not bonded with another specimen (assuming it didn’t bind with a vex) so when it could commune with the darkness, the darkness inhabited it directly, turning it into the Queen of Final shapes. About it being able to “Take” things, I believe it takes things, but in a way different from how Oryx takes. The way the Queen takes things is less noticeable and seems more potent. (for the sake of avoiding confusion, we’ll call this ability “Corruption”) However, this ability to “Corrupt” things probably abides by the same rules as the taken, and we have some rules to taking things. Rule number one, things that are dead cannot be taken. This would include things that are entirely mechanical. There’s one thing I know that is all machine and was conveniently made during the time of the collapse. Exos. Now, the mere mention of that brings a very grim reality to what happened during the collapse. We had to build and send exos into battle for us during the collapse, because only they could resist the Queen’s ability to corrupt. One has to consider what the exo would be fighting. The card, Ghost Fragment: Legends, may hold our answer.[quote]...None of them will tell you that [b]the army is made of everyone we meet.[/b] The people we work with and the people we see in the street and the people we tell about our dreams. [b]We kill them all.[/b][/quote]The quote is about the deep stone crypt. Exos dream about reaching a tower in the distance, but they have to fight an army to reach it. That army is made of everyone they’ve ever known. The deep stone crypt is what seeded the very first Exo conciseness. The exos were coded to have a plan to kill everyone they meet. This was just in case any person they knew became corrupted. What threatened us so much that we had to build the exos? Ourselves. The Queen of final shapes turned our own people against us with her dark powers. Powers that only machines could resist. Why haven’t we seen any corpses belonging to the Queen’s army? You have. It’s army was us. And in the event you still aren’t entirely convinced, have a look at some positions on what the Darkness is.[quote]The Pujari Position describes the Darkness as a force with both physical and moral presence, an actualization of evil. Pujari art depicts the Darkness as a great storm, or as a change in conduct, a corruption that emerged from within and poisoned the Golden Age. Saint-14's Position argues that the Darkness was an invading armada, an alien force of incredible - but tangible - power. Some adherents believe that this armada sprang from species rejected or discarded by the Traveler for their sins.[/quote] These positions gear more toward what the darkness itself is, and they may have hit the nail on the head. The Darkness has both a physical and moral presence. Wielders of the dark follow the morals of “the deep.” It was a corruption that emerged from within and poisoned our golden age. It was our own people that were being turned against us to bring us down. It was an invading armada with incredible but tangible power, the ability to “corrupt”. [b][u]TL;DR:[/u][/b] Now, let’s summarize. The Darkness may be a hive worm that was stolen by the vex eons ago. The vex hid it and gave tribute to it. (probably through a system of tithing) The worm grew so powerful from the tribute it was obtaining that it was able to commune with the darkness/deep. Because it was not bonded with another being, the darkness turned the worm into a being of the darkness itself. “The Queen of final shapes.” With this, The Queen was given the ability to “take”, but in a more perfected/Subtle form. (Which I’ll call “Corrupting” for clarity) With this ability, she destroyed our golden age by corrupting our own people and turning them against us. Similar to the taken power, Exos couldn’t be corrupted, so we built them and sent them in to push back the corrupted people. Then the traveler did something to push it all away. For now. Now that we’ve discussed the past and analyzed our overarching enemy, let’s discuss the future. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/222863841]Destiny's Endgame: Part 2[/url][quote]Back to master thread: [url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/205238605[/url][/quote]Cheers! :D

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  • I can't take this post seriously when some of your theories are based on game mechanics.

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    • Also, really? The Black Heart is the Queen of final shapes? And we killed it that easily when Rasputin himself couldn't touch it? Why would the Vex have it? What are you smoking?

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      • Thanks for trying to make up something to tie it all together.......but us old guys know the real story. Destiny was supposed to have a real story that made sense with lots of cut scenes and other stuff. At the end you would confront the speaker and he would remove his white mask - only to reveal your guardian's face. Activision thought the story was too corny and spilled too much of the Destiny content too soon. Instead they had Bungie ditch the story, break up the content so they could sell it in chunks, and make up some disjointed crap that never really made any sense. The Darkness, The Stranger, The Traveler - other than vague references in year 1 they have all been ignored. The head writer quit (fired?) and Bungie hired some hacks to come in and create all the Grimoire cards. We do battle with the Fallen, the Hive, the Cabal, the Vex, and The Taken - all of whom all fight against each other (except Hive and Taken). There is no cohesive "Darkness" axis of evil or "Darkness being". Traveler/Darkness is just a metaphor for yin/yang, good/evil, etc, etc, etc. In the end it's a PvE game with a crap story mode and decent PvP which needs no story. Here's hoping we get something better in D2.

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        • Oh fal, after all these years i still click on your posts just to tell you to get a life. Good times

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          • Edited by Dark Raven 2501: 3/4/2017 7:41:35 AM
            The darkness comes for us all. yeah right it just another yadda yadda from bungie ...... but don't forgot we at bungie love to screw our customers over again with more pointless content

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            • Nokris = Queen of Final Shapes

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            • Rasputin is a computer. Call IT and they'll tell you to turn him off and on again.

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              • Very interesting read. I just hope someone at bungie has the capability to bring an interesting story like yours into an actual FPS and not in the form of grimoire cards. Would be nice for a change.

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              • Bump please.

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                • You should get your general real life lore right, many names are taken from real life events and used in the destiny universe, most times for a similar event. Malok, Rasputin and all the rest

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                • Edited by SoAnnoying: 3/3/2017 8:21:01 PM
                  "Destiny's Endgame" 1) Sell all your stock in Activision 2) Bungie employees update and send out their resumes 3) Last one out, turn off the lights....

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                  • I like it. It's crazy how many small correlations I never noticed. If looking at the perspective of the Worms or the darkness, the vex would be the best way to spread the darkness. Before the hive, it can be assumed that the vex were able to move through space and time. If I am the darkness, I want to take advantage of that. In order to seek out the vex, I need a hopeless race to take me to them. The hive. I believe that finding the vex may have seemed an accident from the eyes of Oryx and his son. However, I believe the darkness intended to reach the vex, and used the hive as a vehicle. Now they can "corrupt" all times and spaces. Maybe that is why the future seems consumed by Darkness, because we are seeing parallel times that the darkness used the vex to reach. This would all play into your theory. I just think the interaction with the vex and darkness was the intention prior to the hive coming in contact with the worm. I cannot back that up with specific lore. Maybe you know something that might debunk or prove that aspect.

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                    • The part you dropped the "we were the Darkness Army during the Collapse just gave me shivers. If this is somewhat right with what Bungie has planned, it would be very good.

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                      • On the black heart and the blights looking similar.. It is interesting, but I doubt Bungie put that much thought into it. I'm more likely to believe that they needed a texture for the blights when they were making TTK, and said, well, we haven't used this since vanilla, and it was only for a small fight. Let's reuse it instead of taking the time to make something new.

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                        • Too much info being corrupted

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                        • 8 more minute m8!

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                        • ...Deep. [spoiler]Get it? I made a funny[/spoiler] [spoiler]Seriously, 11/10. [/spoiler]

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                        • Holy shit bump

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