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Edited by TheCyo:
2/20/2017 12:53:59 PM
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What everybody seems to miss...
The problem is not that all people are running around with Sidearms.
The problem is that after over two years of rebalancing this game, we finally have reached a state where Sidearms are the best gun it he game.
This is the sole reason why people run them.
The game is so broken now, that sidearms outgun everything.
Oh, and the joke Sniper NLB is now the best one.
Or to put it differently, which two weapons have never been touched by any rebalancing... anybody else saying Last Man Standing?
Update:
Some people argue it's because of ammo. This only explains why people use Sidearms and not some other special.
My point is: why use sidearms if primaries (Handcannons, Pulses) are better? Because in the 20m range no Primary outguns a Sidearm.
Update 2:
This is not a nerf posting. I just want to show that if you cut everything down, dwarfs become suddenly giants.
Update 3:
http://guardian.gg/en/weapon-stats?platform=2&start=2017-02-17&end=2017-02-20&mode=14&activity=0
This week in Trials: 30% of all kills Sidearms, 23% of all kills Snipers - Welcome to the Primary Meta
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Cool story
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Problem is side arm doesn't lose ammo it keeps gaining ammo when you die.
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13 RepliesDestiny 2 will use catapults at this rate haha
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It's kind of sad really. People wanted certain weapons to be competitive, but not by making other weapons not competitive. I was really salty about the HC range nerf. I thought the bloom was gonna be horrendous. But, it's actually a lot better than it was. It is really annoying getting outgunned at mid-range with sidearms though.
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1 ReplyI'm glad that these weapons are finally usable, but not the means that we got here. A normal persons solution to weak weapons would be to buff them to stronger weapon standards. We have had the game nerfed to the ground so hard that the stronger weapons are rendered useless and the weak ones are the strongest in the game. If the cycle keeps going in this direction, the best thing we will have to fight with would be a Fourth Horseman with one in the mag.
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Another pvp'er bitching. Surprising. It's because of whiners like you that my favorite weapons are shit now. Keep it up. You're helping.
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Sidearm is the new shotgun! Nothing new! Your primaries still suck! Your secondary still beat it 90% of the time! Maybe HC can beat sidearm but I just can't use HC! For people who can! Good for you.
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I'm just glad shotguns are back under control and I can use my Suros again! I haven't even used my secondary weapon in PvP and loving it!
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5 RepliesSidearms are okay, still can get outgunned by a primary. The people complaining just suck
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[quote]Update 2: This is not a nerf posting. I just want to show that if you cut everything down, dwarfs become suddenly giants.[/quote] Bungie's way of "balancing" has been a domino effect. Even better, it's a "nerf train" and NLB/Sidearm is the caboose.
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5 RepliesPeople need to realize this game is more about team shooting and holding down territory with smart team pushes and team shots. Special weapons are power weapons and aren't intended to be used as a primary, hence the issue with sidearms. I've actually found it easier to use a sniper/shotgun post patch. Special is up 10 times a match and you just can't warrior right at someone anymore. If they get close, pop em with the shotty and follow up a melee, get a decent shotty with ammo perks and boom no need to search for ammo crates. Same for sniping, be conservative with your shots until someone challenges with primary...
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Negative. Sidearms are being used because they're the only weapon that carries over ammo after death. The problem is that people correlate usage with power. Sidearms haven't been changed other than ammo now not being lost after death. I'm using fusions still in 6's. I have used sidearms as well. I've seen matadors. Sidearms are NOT the only option. You have to give people adjustment time.
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No. What people seem to miss is this- If someone is good with guns in pvp, and I mean skilled, then they are good with any guns. The same people will kick ass whatever they use.
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You're mistaking their current popularity with what is best.
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Sidearms have been good and fun to use long before this Hotfix. People are just moving to them because Bungie left them alone. Trespasser has always been my go-to Exotic Secondary since it was released.
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Well I'm lovin it
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2 RepliesSidearms have been good for a long time. People rarely used them so they were "under the radar" for most people. Now, all of these changes are "forcing" some people to move to a weapon that has guaranteed ammo upon death.
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Without side arms , no land beyond would hardly be used .
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No Land Beyond is not a gun to underestimate. If you run into someone who is a master with the gun in Crucible, you will die.
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So true
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Edited by Benny: 2/19/2017 3:08:11 PMThe definition of secondary and heavy weapons is that they kill faster than a primary, but they are only to be used in certain situation: shotguns, very close range; sniper, long to longest range; fusion, short to medium range; sidearm, short range. I'm not saying a sidearm should be able to kill at the distance it does now, I'm saying it should be able to outgun a primary.
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2 RepliesAlright in my opinion, and don't say this is because I mained a shotgun, if bungie was going to buff primaries, which they did, why was there a need to nerf shotguns to the point where they are almost unusable? Why was there a need to get rid of special every death? It's two days into the first trials weekend post patch and already NLB is #1 in primary kills with 11.5%, palindrome is at like 7% ish, and sidearms are at 53%! That's up 50% from the average. Shotguns are down 43% and are sitting at only 3% kills. They wanted balance but only succeeded in changing the gun that people abused. What a shitshow. It's so frustrating to play any game mode. 6's = camping with primaries and sidearm spam. 3's = camping with primaries and sidearm spam. I miss the shotgun meta because at least the games were fast paced and the people who had the reflexes and skill deserved the W. now it's whoever can spam a sidearm faster or hardscope with NLB with a better angle. What a joke.
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1 ReplyIf intergalactic aliens rely on side arms we humans should be safe.
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No matter what, people are going to complain about the meta
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I've been using sidearms since they were released. now it's annoying that everyone uses them.
