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Edited by Fal Chavam:
2/8/2017 4:01:33 AM
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The nine uncovered. [Warminds]
Welcome back. Or if you found this one first, welcome. This is a series of posts discussing what the nine are. Today, we’re looking at the warmind position.
[quote]The Nine are deep-orbit warminds who weathered the Collapse in hardened stealth platforms.[/quote]
If we assume this to be true, this quote from Xur makes just a little more sense. [quote]"My movements are to a significant degree dependent on planetary alignments."[/quote] Warminds spanned the system with their warsats. Xur probably moves with those warsats and their normally in orbit around other planets. So if Xur needs a ride, he has to get to those Warsats before they move out of reach.
Now, for those who would say Rasputin is the last warmind, don’t be too sure. Rasputin is called the last warmind because he’s the only warmind we’ve come into contact with after so many years. In the card Ghost Fragments: Mysteries, Rasputin claims he is alone, but he never says his brothers and sisters have died. Rasputin survived because he hid away in his bunker after realizing he could win against the darkness. It would stand to reason that the other warminds would come to the same conclusion.
If the warmind position is correct, it would also explain another quote from Xur. [quote]"I cannot explain what the Nine are. They are... very large. I cannot explain. The fault is mine, not yours."[/quote] This sounds a bit like the description from Rasputin’s card [quote]We cannot characterize Rasputin’s strategic objectives and capabilities, cannot define its physical or computational architecture,[/quote] How do you describe a warmind? The warminds used to span thousands of warsats. They could reach across the entire system. The warminds have their own bunkers with test chambers, armories, server farms, etc. The warmind itself could just be a small room with a super computer built into the wall. It’s difficult to describe the warminds in terms of physical appearance, because they don’t exactly have a “body.”
The Warmind position also explains certain interactions with the Reef. Sometimes a crow will wander into the nine’s territory and they’ll take it down. Warminds can take anything down if they have their warsats set up around Jupiter and Saturn (alone with a few doomsday weapons). With nine warminds focused somewhere in these two areas, there’s probably very little that anything could do to harm them.
The nine and the reef also seem to be somewhat on the same side. In Ghost Fragment: The Queen 2, the Queen wants to give Skolas to the nine to celebrate their “Mutual victory.” The only thing that comes to mind are the reef wars. It would seem the wolves must have also tried to push into the nine’s territory. Specifically the Anankes (One of Jupiter’s moons)[quote]"Any word of Kaliks Prime?"
"We still sense something among the Anankes."[/quote] The nine and the reef have a similar relationship to our relationship with Rasputin.
The warmind position would also give just a bit more explanation on why the nine help us, but don’t help us outright. They’re doing the same thing as Rasputin. They still want to protect humanity and are doing so by reactivating old defences and using them to attack the cabal, fallen, hive, and vex. However, something in their new moral structures must have a general distrust of guardians. They’ll supply us with weapons, but they don’t want us to come into their home.
On the note of supplying us with weapons, how do warminds control Xur?
Well, Xur is an amalgamation of dead cells from various worlds. Rasputin had control over nanotechnology that the splicers used for biological enhancements. It might not be too crazy to think the nine could have SIVA or something like SIVA, and use that to make/control Xur.
This concludes the Warmind position. Thank you for your time.
To the next one: [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/221983316][Darkness][/url]
To the previous one: [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/221813046][Leviathans][/url][quote]Back to master thread:
[url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/205238605[/url][/quote]
Cheers
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I think this is an excellent exploration of the theory, in so far as it goes. Is it true? Who can confirm or deny that? My personal theory is that the Nine are something a little outside of the rules as we know them, and all the hints we have about them are simple part of the truth. In ways such as the Hive and Vex have explored non-normal spaces and times, I believe the Nine are similarly both within our space and time, and outside of it, at the same time. Given the way that time and timelines are presented and manipulated in the Destiny universe, it could well be that we are interacting with the Nine every day in there present-tense forms. Cayde-6, for example, could be one of the Nine in the future after some change occurs to his path, and once he has followed that path, could be like the Exo stranger; not fully bound in linear time. I would think of the Nine as a mix of the understanding of the Light and the Darkness. One has the purpose of enhancing existing structures and life greatly, the other has the function of allowing you to change the universe by forcing your will on it. Nothing says these 2 couldn't be studied and understood to the point that someone could combine aspects of them, and live outside of the norm. These could be former Guardians, other species, machines, animals, primal forces, or things not yet know, and even a combination of the above. Let's consider another thing; the Strange Coin. If we ignore it's presence as a game currency mechanic as the only reason for their existence, the Xur interactions tell us the Nine value these seemingly worthless items. And apparently, in all the human commerce, only the Nine do, as no one else offers a single glimmer cube in exchange for them. If that is so, we have to wonder about the actual function of the coins. It is said they vibrate and are warm to the touch. This indicates there is a function intrinsic to the coins. The Nine want as many as they can get, and evidence that by trading valuable commodities for them frequently. So what is the purpose of the Strange Coin, and why do the Nine want them so much? What makes them valuable? A couple of thoughts stand out for me. My first thought is that the coins, possibly held by any thinking race in the game / universe are a form of recon device. Through complex technology and reality manipulation, the coins may have the ability to provide information about where they have been and who has held them in a way we have no analog for. As an example, if you carried a coin to go kill Oryx, it might be possible that there is an advanced recon of the event stored in the coin itself. Not like a database or a video recording, but the entirety of the event and the experience could be recorded in the coin, like an archive of consciousness. This would give the Nine the ability to study the universe from amny of it's aspects, and directly, as a primary source, rather than from secondary recolletions. Further, this might give them more ability to control the shape of future events, or manipulate the present to better fit their ends. Another possibility is that the coins sample the genetics and energies of anyone holding one. A tiny imprint of who the holder is, their Light, Darkness, and everything in between. This would allow the Nine to better understand what the universe is made of and what lives in it. Similarly, this would possibly allow them to develop strategies for shaping and controlling events based on those forms of life, and thus ensure their continued immortality or power. It would even be possible that Xur is created from those fragments collected in the coins, since we tend to give more than one for most items, and that by selling items to us, Xur is actively collecting the remnants that will compose his body and mind in the future. We know that Xur is created anew each time that he comes to deal with us, and the body dies and fades to dust after a short time, so this is a slight possibility. More than that, I haven't thought on, but I thought I'd add my musings to one of my favorite topics in the Destiny lore, one of the true unsolved mysteries, as it were.
