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Edited by KICKR Snipes: 1/13/2017 2:45:59 PM
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Bungie, Let's Have a Genuine Discussion About The Nanophoenix Ship.

I haven't completed Wrath of the Machine on Heroic

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I've killed Aksis on Heroic and no ship

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I have the Nanophoenix

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In my opinion, the Nanophoenix ship is bugged similar to the drop rate of ghost shells in last years' Crimson Doubles. If you remember, those ghost shells were dropping at less than a 1% drop rate and Bungie later admitted that they were not dropping at the intended drop rate and came up with a solution - one free ghost shell for everyone who participated in Crimson Doubles. The reason I believe the Nanophoenix is bugged is because I have over 30 hard mode raid completions and have never had it drop for anyone in my fireteam - that's nearly 200 chances and not one single ship dropped. Also, I have raided with different lfg teammates every single raid and have only once actually played with someone who had it. Please acknowledge in a This Week at Bungie article that either this is working as intended (less than a 1% drop rate), or bugged and you are willing to fix - either increase the drop rate or add in the ability to purchase it with Isenfyre Tokens (I have about 40 of them now). UPDATE: At around 400 votes by players who've actually beaten the raid on heroic mode it appears as though about 1/10th of the players who have own the ship. Now remember that doesn't equal a 10% drop rate because the vote doesn't take into account how many completions each voter has. I'm at over 40 and I'm sure some players who voted are under 10 so let's calculate a few possibilities. If the average player who voted had 10 completions - 30/4000 = 0.0075 = 0.75%. Less than a 1% drop rate. If on the other hand the average player has 20 completions we are now looking at a 0.375% drop rate. Sure, 400 is still a pretty small sample size and who knows if everyone is being honest, but that definitely seems too low. I personally would consider a rare item to have somewhere between a 5% and 10% drop rate. UPDATE 2: It seems a lot of commentors are saying that I'm asking for a handout. This simply isn't the case. I, personally, think a loot system solely based on RNG is terrible without some sort of failsafe to help players that are simply unlucky. For example, say the game saves a "currency" of endgame completions that you could use to purchase items in a special Kiosk. Like, say for instance, 10 Nightfall completions for an Exotic Engram, 50 raid completions for a specific weapon, 100 raid completions for a cosmetic item like a ship or shader. A system like this would prevent those that are just unlucky from never getting the items they want (and quitting because they feel hopeless). It would still be rare and you would still have to put a ton of time into the game to get them, but at least players wouldn't get totally screwed over if they are unlucky. I don't see how anyone could be against this as you would need to do the activity 2 or 3 times more than the drop rate of an item to be able to purchase it. It wouldn't make anything easier, it would just give hope to those the game completely screws.

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  • I just got it today on my 18th hard Aksis kill. Out of all the various LFG teams I've joined to get the ship, only met 3 people across them all who had it. Understandably, I was very excited getting it to drop so early on.

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  • I have over 50 hard mode completions with no ship drop yet.

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  • I've completed WoTM (hm) 100 times and I've never seen it drop for anyone in the fireteam. That's 600 raid completions and zero ships. Cozmo said it's not bugged, but the Comitatus was bugged for a year while Bungie claimed many times that it wasn't. Many replies said "the Comitatus isn't bugged because some people are getting it", but that wasn't true. The bug allowed some players to get the ship, while other players (those with other faction ships) were locked out. I believe the Nanopheonix might have a similar bug that prevents some players from getting it. To those who think it's good to have rare items in the game, I agree and disagree. If the ship were only awarded upon the 50th hard mode completion, then it would be rare and it would represent an achievement in the game. Rare items based on extremely low drop rates only represent how lucky you are and are nothing to be proud of.

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  • There needs to be a balance as far as obtaining the nanophoenix goes. I don't want it to be given to me simply for completing the raid like the king's fall raid ship. But at the same time I don't want it to be almost unobtainable. What I recommend is making it to where you can grind for it continuously and eventually get it. Either the eisenfyre tokens like some have suggested or something else that shows you earned the ship. I want people to look at my ship and go: "that guy is a badass". Because they will know what it takes to get the ship(50 tokens, etc.) I want a rare ship too, not just some ship that everyone has.

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  • holy shit I had no idea this ship was this rare! gonna have to start rocking mine because Im a special snowflake! : )

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  • Just got mine today.

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  • I feel so lucky. I got it the 2nd week after hard mode came out. I feel bad for you guys.

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  • I just got it lol

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  • I looked into this and there is no bug. It's just a rare ship. I will pass along your feedback about requesting making it purchasable with Tokens.

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    • Great read KICKR. I understand your post, and know your not asking to be given a hand out and such. Its as if people just read the title and post. Keyboard warriors are quick to use a voice they should not have. After reaching 400 on all characters with lots of infusion fuel left, the Nanophoenix is one of the items I am still chasing. My RNG is great with weapons and ok with armor, But ships, not so much. I do like the rarity that some items still have though as in Necrochasm, mythoclast, and now the Nanophoenix. Making it not a guaranteed drop makes the grind real along with the excitement when it finally drops.

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      • Bump. So, I see you like titans... [spoiler]~stay creative ~[/spoiler]

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        • Folks did say they wanted Yr1 drop rates. Here is 1 item right here. They have incentive to keep raiding the same raid over & over & over & over. They'll be so excited after their 75th or 100th run and it finally drops. It'll make all 100runs worthwhile.

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          • I got the ship on my 34th run helping a group through Aksis challenge. Once you have completed the raid and collected all your guns, armour and ornaments it's the only item to keep raiding for. Apart from running the raid to help players I don't have any incentive now and it's kind of disappointing.

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          • Yes it's rare alright took me about 30 or 49 Hard mode Aksis I I finally got it

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          • It's bugged. Bungie knows it. Programmer is to lazy to fix it. Bungie response "it just rare" Get it now? No? Sorry it's a rare answer. Keep asking.

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            • Cozmo said Thier is no bug. So it's a rare piece of loot. I know we havnt had one of those in a while because everyone is use to easy loot but yes it can take a while to get something rare.

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              • Get this. Super rare items are really rare. Getting them makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. Why do people shit on that?

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                • It's a loading screen. Is this a real topic? That's like getting a 1 on 1 with the president and asking him to make it easier to get a nonYellow cab. Christ.

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                  • I have it. It's as rare as necro or Vex... Chill bro.

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                    • Calm yer tits, it's a loading screen... A rare one at that.

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                      • Honestly I wish this game actually had rare items to strive for and look cool if you had it, but apparently no one in destiny wants that

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                        • I completed Crota's End 73 times and I dont have 'Bane of the Dark Gods' ship. The drop rate is working as intended. May RnG be with you

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                          • [quote]In my opinion, the Nanophoenix ship is bugged similar to the drop rate of ghost shells in last years' Crimson Doubles. If you remember, those ghost shells were dropping at less than a 1% drop rate and Bungie later admitted that they were not dropping at the intended drop rate and came up with a solution - one free ghost shell for everyone who participated in Crimson Doubles. The reason I believe the Nanophoenix is bugged is because I have over 30 hard mode raid completions and have never had it drop for anyone in my fireteam - that's nearly 200 chances and not one single ship dropped. Also, I have raided with different lfg teammates every single raid and have only once actually played with someone who had it. Please acknowledge in a This Week at Bungie article that either this is working as intended (less than a 1% drop rate), or bugged and you are willing to fix - either increase the drop rate or add in the ability to purchase it with Isenfyre Tokens (I have about 40 of them now).[/quote] It's an ugly ship anyways.

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                            • Edited by Lxj: 1/11/2017 10:39:40 PM
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                              Its not bugged, and why not just keep it rare, its only cosmetic and nothing in this game is really "difficult" to get anyway... I remember on World Of Warcraft when I saw somebody with the Heroic Lich King mount a few weeks after the heroic mode released, and there was literally a crowd of about 30 people around him following him around looking at the guy in awe, not one item in Destiny has that feeling anymore, and the few rare items have a strong tendency to be earned outside of gameplay. Please just keep it rare so we can have that feeling in Destiny... A low cosmetic drop rate is not hurting anybody, other games have weekly lockout items with 1% droprates, some games have events that come out once a year with <1% drop rates, and nobody complains about it, and the reaction videos are always amazing to watch. Evidence of the above: http://www.wowhead.com/item=54537/heart-shaped-box dropping http://www.wowhead.com/item=50250/big-love-rocket the droprate is sow low the database reads it as 0% and thus does not actually show as a possible drop.

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                              • Got it on my second hard mode completion. Hope you get it soon.

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                                • 43 Heroic completions and no ship. Will keep going until I get it.

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