You know i find it funny how the few people that remain in this area of the forums are people who strongly believe that bungie needs to step up their game and an aggressive group of people who just wont let that message be heard. And the argument from those players seems to be repeatedly along the lines of "Even if it seems kinda broken i'll still pay for it cuz i like it". Lol wanna look for someone to blame for the abundance of in game errors and wtf mechanics? Look in your mirror. Cuz by buying this content you're saying incomplete work is sufficient.

All I hate is that after 365-366 light, it all depends on faction rep, vanguard rep, crucible rep, and skeleton keys- alongside a nerfed 3oC... it's a long grind. I'm almost 370 now, thank the lord.

Premium price for little content??? Okay let me check this. How many hours of play time will me and my son get out of rise of Iron. We are a week or two in now and we are not yet raid ready on light level so we are not even into any of the end game content yet. Now I paid about 30 bucks for this right? How much would it cost me to take me my wife and son to a movie that last time I checked was no more than two hours of entertainment? Even forget the popcorn. Now you might want to crawl out from under the pile of salt you all live under and enjoy the game or move on.

[quote]Here's a well written review from Steven Strom at Ars Technica about his [url=http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/09/destiny-rise-of-iron-impressions-the-thin-road-to-destiny-2/]Rise of Iron Impressions and the thin road to Destiny 2.[/url][/quote] Let's see about that. Cause that was a terrible review. I understand you wanted to link a bad review for your agenda, but couldn't you find an actually well written, intelligent one. [quote]That recycled feeling is ever-present in The Plaguelands, the new in-game region for Rise of Iron. This marks the second time Bungie has bolted a new zone onto the main game’s original four. While The Taken King's Dreadnaught was substantially different from anything else in Destiny—all bones, breathing walls, and slimy indoor cathedrals—The Plaguelands are just an extension of an existing locale. They look nearly identical to what Destiny fans already know as The Cosmodrome—all snow, rusted-out icebreakers, and jagged metal strewn across post-apocalyptic Russia [/quote] "They (the Plaguelands) look nearly identical...to the Cosmodrome" Uh, maybe that's because it's ATTACHED TO THE COSMODROME!! It's like saying Downtown looks too similar to South City, even though they're right next to each amd were built at a similar time period. [quote]Felwinter is somewhere between useless and a hassle to visit. Say you want to complete a quest in Rise of Iron, but you also want to buy a new piece of gear. No vendors live in Felwinter, so you'll need to load into the mountain, do your business, load back out, select The Tower, load in to buy your equipment, and load back out again. What a time-consuming slog.[/quote] And the Reef was any different? Wanted to get your Dead Orbit Rank up package after completing your Trials card? 1 trip to Reed, 1 to the Tower. [quote]Besides that, the only reason to go back to The Plaguelands is when stories or side missions force you to. It doesn't help that the whole zone is one, great big circle—lending it a very linear feel to boot.[/quote] And this differs from any other iteration of Destiny how? Not to mention that [i]every [/i]patrol zone in Destiny is a big giant circle, including the Dreadnaught. [quote]Said quest-givers have you squaring off against a new flavor of enemy: the Splicers. Despite the name and a red coat of paint, these are the same alien Fallen players kicked in the teeth across Earth, Venus, and the Moon in Destiny proper—not to mention the miniature House of Wolves expansion in 2015.[/quote] And? That's how they're supposed to be! They are the House of Devils who have used SIVA tech to augment themselves, why should they look drastically different or become some new, never-before-seen race? [quote]Tellingly, Lord Saladin—the NPC focal point of the expansion and its lore—has absolutely nothing new to offer, sell, or tell you after Rise of Iron’s two-to-three hours of story quests (even fewer if you sprint). He, like the rest of Rise’s cardboard story, is so thin that he’d probably fall flat if you could tap him on the shoulder.[/quote] The people who write these kinds of reviews and support them are, in my opinion, insane - they play the game DLC after DLC and are *shocked* when the same things remain unchanged. This guy is a complete retard and his "review" reeks of "I'm reviewing a game I've barely played over 2 years". It's all superficial areas that he's griping about. He sounds like Shallow Hal: "I don't like her, her second toe is longer than her big toe. Can't do it". Or "She's 10 lbs overweight. Pass." I think you could have done better in your attempt to link the most scathing review you could find. RoI certainly has its issues, but this guy, and you Nox, could've found better ammo for your troll post. It's actually weaker than your attack on the launch queue (of which my retort to you never got a reply. Go figure)

I am having fun Story missions are cool, nothing too different or special but cool There seems to be mystery & secrets Reskinned basic achievements, but they're there. Forge is fun Raid is amazing New patrol , can also use sparrows. Music is amazing New armor & weapons are cool Private matches even though its not part of the dlc Less invisible walls Supremacy is awesome New strike boss is cool Raid weapon and armor looks & functionality are amazing Overall step forward

Why does Siva look like Twizzlers

Meh... The blind Raid run is worth the admission fee alone.

yea im also a bit dissapointed in ROI. it is alright but it wont keep me on destiny long. and there is so much recycles stuff this time

RoI is hella fun IMO. Best DLC drop yet. A little grindy, but not everything can be perfect.

My thoughts? Why do gamers act like a "good game" is something that will appeal to every one and every taste. NO FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT DOES THAT...and no one (but gamers) even EXPECTS that. Destiny is a loot-based game. Loot-based games are about GRINDING. You defeate enemies....to get gear that makes your character more powerful. You then use that gear to defeate more powerful enemies to get even MORE powerful gear. Rinse and Repeat. Bottomline: If you are a person who has a "high need for novelty"; gets bored or restless easily; or prefers to play a story-driven or goal driven RPG like Witcher or Fallout 4...... DON'T PLAY LOOT-BASED GAMES. THEY ARE NOT THE GAME FOR YOU. In loot-based games, the END-GAME IS THE GAME. The story/campaign is just something you play through to GET YOU to the end-game. Which is grinding for the items you want, putting together the character builds that you want....and min-maxing those builds. Then the next expansion drops....the gear is obsoleted...and the PROCESS starts all over. ...and if you can't enjoy that PROCESS. Then don't play these kinds of games. If you can't be happy endlessly chasing after that carrot. GO. PLAY. SOMETHING. ELSE. THIS. GAME. WILL. NEVER. MAKE. YOU. HAPPY. NO. GAME. LIKE. IT. WILL. Ever. What it is SUPPOSED to be, This game is in a very good place right now, and Bungie (for being relatively new to this kind of game design) is making a LOT of very good decisions in managing the game.

I can't provide a review of the game from my personal perspective because I didn't buy it and I don't plan to do so any time soon. However, I have been watching the reviews of the game, have heard several clan members talk about the game's positive notes, and I have weighed those against other written material out there regarding the expansion, including this thread and many others who have posted their first impressions. Taking all of these sources into account, the expansion does not sound like a gamechanger. It simply carries on the same model of TTK, which is questification of exotics, strikes playing a feature role in the endgame phase, the raid is still the penultimate PVE accomplishment (as it should be - not a bad thing), public arenas like CoO or the Archon Forge offer alternate PVE activities which are fun, but hard to access due to the inability to bring in a fireteam of 6 and the apparent lack of people playing it - due to lack of SIVA artifacts (i think. I haven't played so I could be wrong), etc. etc. etc. It's still the same game it was in TTK, just with different window dressing. I don't mean to have all of these bits taken in a negative context, but that could be my Y1 bias shining through. Bottom line is this. If you liked TTK, if you were satisfied with TTK and the changes TTK brought to the game, odds are you are going to enjoy RoI. But if you didn't like what TTK did to the game (essentially, if you didn't like the changes to the game from Y1 to Y2), then RoI really doesn't offer you anything new, doesn't bridge the gap between the founding generation of guardians and the taken tots, and it really doesn't offer you anything to pull you back into the fold. So in that sense, RoI, has done nothing to appeal to disenfranchised Y1 players like myself in order to bring us back into the fold. So I haven't re-upped and I really don't plan on doing so. Things could change. Later updates could revive the old raids. Management could choose to at least reverse their stance against elemental primaries. They could make Y1 gear infusable so Y1 players don't feel like we're being discriminated against when all gear EXCEPT Y1 gear is brought forward. All of these things are still possibilities that COULD bring me back. Its early. We'll see if it happens. But I doubt it. And If Bungie can't sell me on an expansion, they're going to have a much harder time selling me on the sequel to the game considering I'll have had several months to immerse myself in alternatives (skyrim) and my most recent memories of the game weren't exactly fond ones.