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9/13/2016 3:45:49 PM
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How is metzen a devil?
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The story of Warcraft has been steadily declining. It'd only redeeming quality is Sylvanas' inevitable betrayal... But that's been in the works for the better part of 4 or 5 years.
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Hahahahaha, how is her betrayal inevitable?
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Seriously? She's been annoying people ever since she had the ability to raise the dead. Other members of the Horde don't trust her at all and she wants nothing more than to raise her own army and not serve. Couple that in with the fact that the Alliance now despise her...
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Yea but she had to flee the battle of broken shore or else her troops would be killed. So their hatred is not justified. Sylvanas may be raising the dead and a thorn in some sides but she never tries to antagonize anyone else, she just does what it takes to survive, Azeroth is a tough place. And since the current story is a demon invasion she wouldn't betray the other faction helping her and her troops.
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Lol the entire war between Horde and Alliance is based on mixed perceptions - there is nothing unique about the Broken Shore incident. That aside, have you finished Stormhiem? [quote] she never tries to antagonize anyone else [/quote] That does not at all make it right. It was unanimously agreed upon that she should never do that. It's banished. She also has a special relationship with the Val'kyr which she doesn't declare the details of. She is doing stuff that she shouldn't be doing, and eventually she will just say "Fite me, brah!", and betray everyone. Who says that has to be this expansion? Like I said, it's been I the works for a long time. Sylvanas is is being held at arms length by the Horde, and hated by the Alliance. She's a really awesome character, and she's going to have an epic story by the end of it. But she is not going to be a good girl.
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Edited by fasttony64: 9/13/2016 6:18:38 PMShe's the hero who breaks the rules, she's the wolverine, and she would know already that if she tried to take on the world she would fail, and what do you mean at arms length? She's the head of the horde now, her interest align with the horde And I haven't started stormheim don't spoil it
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[quote]She's the hero who breaks the rules[/quote] She is not not antihero, she is on her own agenda to save herself from Warcraft Super Hell by throwing as many Valkir down in there instead of her. She can not be trusted nor followed. Not the mention of plague being slung. Also she tried to kidnapped a servant of a Titanic Watcher, not just any old Titanic watcher THE Prime designate. Not to mention she made a deal with his enemies. Now he is not moral high man, be he is the patron of EVERY warrior in the game. She is risking a lot for immortality but for now she lost it.
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What story is the kidnapped titanic watcher thing from I never heard of that
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Did you just spoil stormheim
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Yep. I had to to since you thought she was some sort of warped since of a hero. She is nothing of the sorts.
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[quote]She's the hero who breaks the rules, she's the wolverine[/quote] In her own head. The reality is that she is becoming the very person she hates - Arthas (seriously, don't dismiss that. Look at the glaring similarities in her attitude and her new found skills). [quote]she would know already that if she tried to take on the world she would fail[/quote] I think you underestimate her. [quote]what do you mean at arms length? She's the head of the horde now, her interest align with the horde[/quote] She tried to save her people at the Broken Shore, I mean... So? What was she supposed to do, just stand there? Garrosh was also the Warchief and look how that turned out... Sylvanas wants to serve under no one, and finally she has that. Nobody to tell her 'no'... [quote]And I haven't started stormheim don't spoil it[/quote] That's why I only asked instead of telling.
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Also you think she can take on all of Azeroth after the demons are killed? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Edited by Psyntifik: 9/13/2016 8:03:14 PM... It didn't stop literally anybody else trying. With key characters dead, I'd say that puts her ahead of the others that tried.
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I thank you for the no spoiler thing but she's not garrosh, Time will tell on this anyway. Yes she did some bad things but that doesn't make her evil, and how is she similar to arthas except the dead raising.
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[quote]I thank you for the no spoiler thing but she's not garrosh, Time will tell on this anyway. Yes she did some bad things but that doesn't make her evil, and how is she similar to arthas except the dead raising.[/quote] She's not Garrosh, but I'm just saying being the Warchief means very little. It only furthers the fact that she can now do whatever she wants. And how isn't she Arthas? She believes adamantly that what she is doing is the right thing. She is from a well revered position of power and authority. She has a secret alliance. Nobody else is truly on her side. She has a superiority complex. She's insanely vindictive.
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[quote]she thinks she's doing right[/quote] I love this part of the story of arthas, every thing arthas did initially was to save his people, which is why he took frostmourne and then became evil, Sylvanas may be like arthas but arthas despite his lust for power wanted only the best for his people, Sylvanas's people were the forsaken and that's why she gained the ability to raise the dead, to help her people continue to grow, she has no evil intentions at heart. And as for her trying to become the new villian don't you think by now she knows what happens when you try to take on the world, I don't know how vanilla ends or if it did but every expansion a new villian (I find illidan a villian being debatable but I don't know the whole story) illidan, arthas, death wing, garrosh, the iron horde and archimonde and now the legion , do you think after that she would try to pull anything? What chance does she stand against the heroes of Azeroth
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[quote]Sylvanas may be like arthas but arthas despite his lust for power wanted only the best for his people, Sylvanas's people were the forsaken and that's why she gained the ability to raise the dead, to help her people continue to grow, she has no evil intentions at heart.[/quote] Right... Like I said, she thinks she's doing the right thing. When actually, she's just annoying everybody. The Forsaken are/were dying out. Why do you think she attacked Gilneas? Why do you think she attacked Hillsbrad and Arathi? Like I said, the realities of what she is doing are far from what's in her head. [quote]And as for her trying to become the new villian[/quote] She isn't [i]trying[/i] to do anything. It's just happening. The world could easily turn on her instead of her turning on the world. [quote]and now the legion[/quote] [quote]now[/quote] Now? The Burning Legion has been the 'bad guy' of Warcraft since day one. They have had ties to every expansion and the old RTS games. [quote]What chance does she stand against the heroes of Azeroth[/quote] Seriously? Besides being an excellent marksman... Woman... She's able to control other people's mind, she can raise the dead and that cheat death thing she has going on.
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But regardless she's not able to take on the legion and if the heroes can do that what chance would Sylvanas have, and im only aware of the gilneas attack (played a worgen and remember fighting her) and if the world turns on her then she's not the betrayer, she's the betrayed (though both titles are reserved for illidan anyway lol) and im aware the legion have always been a problem I played warcraft three and frozen throne, however it's currently so that they are attacking Azeroth
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Is your answer to every storyline just going to be "Well no! Because we will kill her in a raid because the heroes of Azeroth kill everything"? Like, it's impossible to argue with that. It's a very legitimate storyline that will most likely end with us killing her, but a storyline nonetheless. She defied the Warchief, attacked the Alliance and a neutral populous for personal gain, kept a secret alliance, and throws Val'kyr under the bus to save her own skin, and you think [u]she[/u] is the betrayed?
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YOUR the one who said that she would be betrayed and my basis for the we will win argument is because she is known to be inteligent, she would never enter a scenario where her death is obviously certain, and as for morality she has no reason to, she gains nothing by attacking us after we fend off the legion
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[quote]YOUR the one who said that she would be betrayed[/quote] No I didn't. [quote]and my basis for the we will win argument is because she is known to be inteligent, she would never enter a scenario where her death is obviously certain[/quote] So was everyone else that tried their luck. And her death isn't certain. [quote]she gains nothing by attacking us after we fend off the legion[/quote] I just told you what she gains from attacking the Alliance.
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When did you tell me what she gains from the alliance, and you said [quote]the world will attack her[/quote] or something along these lines, this discussion is getting out of hand so im gonna move it to the pm so I can keep track of it better
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That's not being betrayed. That's fighting back.
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It is being betrayed if they attack first
