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Edited by HappyMeal75:
8/29/2016 5:34:06 PM
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Raid Matchmaking: THE DEBATE
Today I pose a question to you! How do you feel about raid matchmaking? Are we fine how we are now? Or would it be a great improvement?
LETS DEBATE:
[u]Pro Matchmaking[/u]
Adding matchmaking to the raids will allow for more players to participate in them. No longer will you be forced to use an LFG site or recruitment threads if you don't have any friends online. Just launch the activity and [i]Walla[/i] you are in a full fire team!
While some would argue that some people would get matched with lower light levels or just players who don't know what to do, this offers for players to teach others each encounter. This would add to the social aspect of the raids even more! And hey, if you still wanted to go on LFG, you can! Nobody is stopping you.
If you think the new raids would be too hard, that's okay. We could have matchmaking for VoG and CE but not Kings Fall, because those raids are much lower light level. That way newer players can run through those old raids for the first time much more easily, or old players can do the same just for fun. [i]Problem Solved[/i]
[u]Con Matchmaking[/u]
Matchmaking for raids is a terrible idea! This would lead to more frustration than ever. People with very low light levels, inexperienced players, people instantly leaving, players with no mic, these are the players you will be getting matched up with, and the list just goes on and on. Adding a matchmaking system is a waste of Bungies time. With half the player base on LFG and the other half raid matchmaking, wait times will be longer than ever. And when you finally do get a match, people could purposefully troll or go AFK with no one to kick them.
How do you expect checkpoints to work? If I have Golgoroth cp , will I only get matched with people at Golgoroth? If so, wait times will be even longer. If not, I might lose my checkpoint and miss out on the Golgoroth loot I still needed to get.
Getting through a strike with Randoms is hard enough, doing a raid with Randoms would be near impossible.
[b]So what do you think? Should raid matchmaking be a thing or not? What other topics are worthy of a Debate?[/b]
EDIT: Wow, glad to see everyone voicing there opinions in the comments. This post has gotten more love than I expected. Fun to read these comments.
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I'm in the mind of you should make your own teams for Raids, and the Skolas PoE. The potential for crap is so high with matchmaking, I want to thank Bungie for not including it. Creating your own teams keep you more invested in the team, so you would be more likely to stick it out. That does not mean no one has ever left a team, but it does reduce the likelihood of it happening once trouble start sprouting. In most other games with raid-like encounters, you can usually power through the entire thing. But Destiny Raids has mechanics that are instant fails if you do not complete them properly. In all honesty, a large portion of those asking for it, aren't the people who are smart enough to know not to use it.
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No. We will always run into people who have no idea what are they doing. And we won't be able to communicate.
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If matchmaking is implemented you best believe I'm doing jacksh*t until the boss.
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I was strongly for no matching then I saw ur option of old raids only and thought holy shit yes. It's near impossible to find a team to do them and when I do its just for fun anyways so no worry of elitists. Plus since the old raids required little teamwork it would work alot better. I could just solo the raid while people followed along. With the exception of jump parts which are insanely easy but people are terrible for no reason.
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FWIW, here is my suggested idea: Old raids should allow matchmaking..... Each checkpoint come with a loot chest. In that loot chest is a "passage coin" or "passage rune" to that checkpoint. Its good until reset, and part of the drop. You can matchmake with players with that "passage coin/rune" only, and only to that check point... including current raid Current raid requires starting with match made fireteams, only matchmaking with checkpoint coins/runes....
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Optional matchmaking, so that it's still possible to raid without having 6 people
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I'm all for whatever would help some Guardians get more raid experience so yes I am in favor of Raid matchmaking but still don't understand the big deal with just hitting up an LFG site/Forum for a raid.
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2 RepliesWhy is there a downside? If people have never done the raid want to go in blind with people they are matched with, let them. If you want requirements, use lfg, and if you use a fireteam you already raid with, it doesn't even affect you. If people are looking for specific players than they can use lfg, other wise they can just go in blind
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1 ReplyThe ONLY way raid matchmaking may be even somewhat successful is if you can only queue up matchmaking if you have a mic. No mic = no matchmaking/raid.
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1 ReplyI'm against Matchmaking. However if it's optional im fine with that under 2 circumstances. 1st: Have a way for players to go in solo still or with only a half fireteam. 2nd: everyone agrees to not complain about how they keep getting incompetent players and people without mics theouhj matchmaking.
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I respect that Bungie want us to Raid with friends...but reject that we should be forced into that model only. Give us the choice to play our way. Is raid matchmaking gonna be a hassle? Probably. There are a heap of scenarios where it could pose problems or give you a less than great experience. But so be it...if that's the path you want to follow. It's cool for Bungie to make decisions about mechanics and balancing etc. I don't like the idea however that they are being so dogmatic about the social experience they also want us to have.
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I'm also against matchmaking. The only way for matchmaking to work would be if everybody had and used a mic, but I bet a lot of people wouldn't.
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10 RepliesI posted this in a different thread and it got nothing but down votes. Lol. How many relics do you grab on the first part of KF? And how many teams of two, or three do you have? Who is going left, who is going right, and when do you grab the relic? Who is going to tell you what ship to jump on and when, when you're at the jumping puzzle? Who is going left, right and middle on the totems? Who is killing the knight? Who is calling out the yellow knights? When do you switch sides? Who is calling out the plates on Warpriest? Who is grabbing the aura? When do you know you're on the last stack? When you get to Golgoroth, who is going left and who is going right? Who is grabbing gaze? When do you know it's time to get out of the pit? Who is dropping a bubble with WoL? Who has tether? Who is in charge of killing the Taken? At the sisters, who is on plate 1, 2, 3, and 4? Who jumps up first and in what order? Which plate is front left and back right? After you kill the first daughter, how do you know who is torn if you can't call it out? You do realized you have 60 timer... to figure out who goes where, get the relic, get back to the daughter, slam her, and kill her. At Oryx, who is runner? Who is add control? Who is on plate 1, 2, 3, and 4? When do you kill your knight? When do you know Oryx is about to slam before you get teleported in? Are you doing the single orb, or 16 strat? When do you know to detonate your bombs? Try figuring that out with five other people who don't have mics. It has nothing to do with being an elitist, it has everything to do with communication and team coordination. Whew... that's going to be a pain in the butt for the people who never experienced KF and they don't want to talk because they "don't have to." Raids aren't for everyone. I'm not an elitist. I just know what KF has to offer, and one person out of place will cause the whole team to wipe. People have responsibilities and the mechanics are not forgiving. [spoiler]Also, matchmaking isn't going to separate Hunters, Titans, and Warlocks... You need at least two of each class for a pretty successful run. Self res, tether, and weapons of light do come in handy -- and how many people have good snipers, ToM, or a good HMG?[/spoiler]
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If it's optional there is no problem.
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2 RepliesYou really think Activision is going to continue to allow Bungie to spend resources and money on content only 10% of the population can access.
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7 RepliesThere is literally no downside to it... If you don't want to do it, then don't... Its a total dick move to not want people to have something, leave that toxic mindset to the PvP kids, we're better than that. Just think how fun it could be! [spoiler]and in all reality we'd all join hoping to help out new player's only to have a full 6 Vanilla Vets haha[/spoiler]
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5 RepliesRaid matchmaking will be optional. You can still go to LFG and make a post recruiting experienced players, or you can let matchmaking get a team together. There is no debate here, there are no cons, just elitist players being pricks
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Raid matchmaking would be OPTIONAL. People who say it's a terrible idea will continue to use raid teams/ LFG so it WON'T affect them. I really don't see the issue here....
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Guardian,Archon Of LightBlade Of The Traveler - old
It works just fine in Warframe and The Division Honestly I don't see the issue, if you want a pre-selected fireteam, than go LFG or invite your freinds. if you don't want to go begging for help on the forums, then matchmake. That's the way Iron Banner and Heroic Strikes are now!!!!! Everyone gets what they want, it's a win/win -
4 RepliesI really think that matchmaking for the old raids is a great idea, because the old raids are still fun, but don't require as much team synergy as kings fall as you can rely more on your higher light level. Also I am a year two player and when I was still a noob and ranking up I really really wanted to do either the vog or ce, but no one wanted to do either of those on any lfg site I looked at, much less with a level 26. I don't think adding it to kingsfall is a good idea as it requires a lot of communication and people need to complete it from their ever important quest to 335 and this will make it so much harder to complete the raid as randoms as a general rule kinda suck, and even if you go to LFG sites the community will be fragmented pulling people from those sites and making it harder to make a fire team. Tldr adding matchmaking to old raids makes it possible to find a team for them but adding matchmaking to kingsfall will only make it harder to find a competent team Love to hear thoughts on this!
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I don't see it working out too well. I don't even know where to begin. There should be some kind of vote to kick system. Then there's the issue of losing someone towards the end of the raid and how MM would work in that scenario. The only way you would get MM into a checkpoint would be if you already completed the raid for the week. The amount of people who already have finished the raid and are queuing solo would probably be very small therefore it would take forever to find another person. And then once you find someone you just have to hope they know what they're doing. I just feel like everyone will just resort to LFGs anyways.
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Then why not have Multiplayer Lobby instead of MM? Yes I know there is a app for it but it not effective as compared to PC Online Games.
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I think that when the normal raid first comes out there shouldn't be matchmaking but when the heroic version is released, normal should then get matchmaking. Then if there's an update similar to this year's April update the heroic version should get matchmaking as well.
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I don't raid anymore, but I still don't want matchmaking for raids. Use the app to find or make a raid team. It's so easy to do
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I really think it would ruin the Raid experience to be honest. Raid Finder in WoW, hot debated. As of right now the bosses are weaken because a bunch of idiots together couldn't handle it on the normal difficulty. Now when matched with random players most times they don't speak, or they are toxic players. If a boss has a different mechanics that causes the wipe, players go from silent to ape shit toxic, some being "You guys suck! Why do you guys suck!" People. It can't end well.
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As long as there's still someone in charge to kick the AFKers and useless twats.
