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Edited by HappyMeal75:
8/29/2016 5:34:06 PM
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Raid Matchmaking: THE DEBATE
Today I pose a question to you! How do you feel about raid matchmaking? Are we fine how we are now? Or would it be a great improvement?
LETS DEBATE:
[u]Pro Matchmaking[/u]
Adding matchmaking to the raids will allow for more players to participate in them. No longer will you be forced to use an LFG site or recruitment threads if you don't have any friends online. Just launch the activity and [i]Walla[/i] you are in a full fire team!
While some would argue that some people would get matched with lower light levels or just players who don't know what to do, this offers for players to teach others each encounter. This would add to the social aspect of the raids even more! And hey, if you still wanted to go on LFG, you can! Nobody is stopping you.
If you think the new raids would be too hard, that's okay. We could have matchmaking for VoG and CE but not Kings Fall, because those raids are much lower light level. That way newer players can run through those old raids for the first time much more easily, or old players can do the same just for fun. [i]Problem Solved[/i]
[u]Con Matchmaking[/u]
Matchmaking for raids is a terrible idea! This would lead to more frustration than ever. People with very low light levels, inexperienced players, people instantly leaving, players with no mic, these are the players you will be getting matched up with, and the list just goes on and on. Adding a matchmaking system is a waste of Bungies time. With half the player base on LFG and the other half raid matchmaking, wait times will be longer than ever. And when you finally do get a match, people could purposefully troll or go AFK with no one to kick them.
How do you expect checkpoints to work? If I have Golgoroth cp , will I only get matched with people at Golgoroth? If so, wait times will be even longer. If not, I might lose my checkpoint and miss out on the Golgoroth loot I still needed to get.
Getting through a strike with Randoms is hard enough, doing a raid with Randoms would be near impossible.
[b]So what do you think? Should raid matchmaking be a thing or not? What other topics are worthy of a Debate?[/b]
EDIT: Wow, glad to see everyone voicing there opinions in the comments. This post has gotten more love than I expected. Fun to read these comments.
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1 ReplyEdited by TOAD 4000: 8/28/2016 4:23:14 PMI voted for all raid to MM. I will never use it because it would be terrible, but if others want it, why not? I will continue to use LFG. I would also like ToO to MM. That way I could jump in and help people get to the lighthouse. Facing me would be a free win on your card! B)
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4 RepliesThere is absolutely NO downside to having optimal matchmaking for Raids. If you have a fireteam that you usually run the Raid with, great, keep doing that. Matchmaking doesn't change that at all. The complaint about how it will be filled with bad players, quitters, low level newbs, none of that matters if you're doing it with your friends anyway. That complaint has no validity. And that's really the only complaint. So there's no reason not to have it. The only real problem the people who don't want it have, is that they won't feel special anymore because now everyone has a chance to do something they feel is "rare".
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The issue here is that most people who want raid matchmaking haven't completed a raid. This is an idea which seems good on paper but I believe it will just lead to more issues than it will solve.
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3 RepliesThere's really no downside. Either it'll work, in which case everyone will use it, or it won't, in which case they won't.
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Just add in optional matchmaking, and that solves everybody's problem. Not that matchmaking would really hinder any progress. People will still use LFG for more professional raid teams. And if you were looking to solo part of the raid, just pretend like you don't have teammates. People just want to complain about something that isn't going to affect them.
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It should be optional matchmaking
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just so you know; its voila, not "[i]walla[/i] youre in a fireteam" lol
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Edited by aMcConghie16: 8/28/2016 5:59:58 PMI say old raids but not current Vog and crota should definitely have it by now
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Like many I think MM is a bad idea but I do think a LFG type feature is needed were in the social space you go to a kiosk and you just select the modes your interested and then your GT appears on a list were people can just view the lists then check your character , experience / completions then they add / inv for specific modes the list would refresh every 30 mins
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14 RepliesWhy not? Make it [b][u]Optional[/u][/b]. People get random people off of these forums and other places so why not pair up randomly with matchmaking?
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2 RepliesThis sounds like a future SAT question... Lol. But, I think old raids should have matchmaking. The old raids can be done with usually 4 or less people. Although... when King's Fall becomes old you still might need 6 for totems. Old raids are not as serious, they are not as skill dependant nor really hard to teach. And also, most people doing the old raids are people who have done them time and time again when they first came out. Now... would I use it? Probably not. But I think it would be a good option to have. See if I get lucky with a good group once in a while. The new raid should not have matchmaking... that's just not a good idea. It's about as good as the idea to have in game chat that you can switch on. Sure, everyone wanted it for strikes and such. But guess what? Absolutely no one uses it. Well 99.9% of people don't use it. I feel like raid matchmaking will be the same way after a two weeks or the first bad experience with it.
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I can't wait for them to release raid mm. I can see it now: "3 weeks after release, the first raid completion by matchmade team - the impossible has been done"
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Raids shouldn't have matchmaking. The point of the raid is to get a group of friends together and do it. As it is, you can already go find a group of randoms on the forums with relative ease. It's time for people to stop being scrubs.
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1 ReplyShould have matchmaking via in-game lfg. Maybe be able to have criteria that would look for certain guardians e.g. light level, newbie or has already completed the raid... that way if someone was to leave it could search for someone else together back to raiding faster etc.
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2 RepliesIt's [b][i][u]OPTIONAL, OPTIONAL, OPTIONAL, OPTIONAL, AND OPTIONAL.[/u][/i][/b] You don't have to use it if you don't want to. There is no debating this subject.
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I don't want it to be an option because I feel one of the hardest parts of a raid is getting a good team together, or a team together at all. To me it is like the very first checkpoint. Call me an elitist, but I think that if you can't get a team together, you shouldn't get to raid.
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Walla. You absolute cretin. Its "Voilà" 😑
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As a mostly solo player, every single raid I have completed ( VoG, CE and KF) used players from LFG. More than half of all the raids ended up in failure. This was using a system where everyone said they knew what they were doing. With matchmaking you will get randoms with zero experience and no mic. That is a deal breaker in most raids. It's difficult under ideal circumstances, impossible without communication. It's a unique activity that should be treated with some level of respect towards other people's time. We all can't play for 6 hours enduring countless wipes. However, optional matchmaking is always welcome. Careful what you wish for though, it will be painful.
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2 RepliesOptional filtered matchmaking would never hurt and would sometimes help. Optional meaning you can still solo it or do it with a smaller group if you want, eg solo or two-man Crota. Filtered meaning you can require a light level and mic if you want. But - raids are the worst possible use for matchmaking imo. I am a lot more interested in (optional, filtered) matchmaking for Nightfall and CoE 42, and similar events.
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In game lfg. That's it. That's all. I'm tired of bungie saving money on sending us to a third party. Put that -blam!-ing shit in game.
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I'd never use it. Just like bungie said it would hurt more then help. We as the community are sorry kings fall is to taxing. If we go back a more atheon or crota type experience. I'll be more then happy to Sherpa again. I have over five hundred crota and almost three hundred vaults. I loved to Sherpa. Even skolas was fine but I can't take kings fall. It's to taxing and the rewards are lack luster.
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For easy mode yes, for hard mode no. Learn in easy then find a team for hard.
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3 RepliesAll normal mode raids should have matchmaking. Hardmode should require a premade fireteam.
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Op and 42% forgot this is satire.
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I think it's a bad idea. But if we have old raids matchmade, I'm Ok with that. But I think it would be a time waster because, there would be guardians Inactive, Trolling, No mics, And just flat out rude to other people that think they know what to do in reality they don't. It's an interesting topic to be sure, but to be honest, it's something really difficult to discuss.
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Finally someone adding the pros and cons. Good job.
