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Edited by HappyMeal75:
8/29/2016 5:34:06 PM
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Raid Matchmaking: THE DEBATE
Today I pose a question to you! How do you feel about raid matchmaking? Are we fine how we are now? Or would it be a great improvement?
LETS DEBATE:
[u]Pro Matchmaking[/u]
Adding matchmaking to the raids will allow for more players to participate in them. No longer will you be forced to use an LFG site or recruitment threads if you don't have any friends online. Just launch the activity and [i]Walla[/i] you are in a full fire team!
While some would argue that some people would get matched with lower light levels or just players who don't know what to do, this offers for players to teach others each encounter. This would add to the social aspect of the raids even more! And hey, if you still wanted to go on LFG, you can! Nobody is stopping you.
If you think the new raids would be too hard, that's okay. We could have matchmaking for VoG and CE but not Kings Fall, because those raids are much lower light level. That way newer players can run through those old raids for the first time much more easily, or old players can do the same just for fun. [i]Problem Solved[/i]
[u]Con Matchmaking[/u]
Matchmaking for raids is a terrible idea! This would lead to more frustration than ever. People with very low light levels, inexperienced players, people instantly leaving, players with no mic, these are the players you will be getting matched up with, and the list just goes on and on. Adding a matchmaking system is a waste of Bungies time. With half the player base on LFG and the other half raid matchmaking, wait times will be longer than ever. And when you finally do get a match, people could purposefully troll or go AFK with no one to kick them.
How do you expect checkpoints to work? If I have Golgoroth cp , will I only get matched with people at Golgoroth? If so, wait times will be even longer. If not, I might lose my checkpoint and miss out on the Golgoroth loot I still needed to get.
Getting through a strike with Randoms is hard enough, doing a raid with Randoms would be near impossible.
[b]So what do you think? Should raid matchmaking be a thing or not? What other topics are worthy of a Debate?[/b]
EDIT: Wow, glad to see everyone voicing there opinions in the comments. This post has gotten more love than I expected. Fun to read these comments.
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I think Raid matchmaking is a ridiculously stupid idea, but I won't object to it if it is OPTIONAL.
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Do matchmaking for old raids
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I just don't see any negatives. I understand it would be frustrating as hell to use that feature because of how dumb some people are, but why not at least make it an option? If you already use lfg and whatnot, adding optional matchmaking won't affect you. If people want to attempt to struggle through a raid with micless, low light randoms, then I think they should be able to.
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1 ReplyOnly the old raids because by the time they are "old" you will be stronger than initially required so that even if someone hasn't a clue it won't hurt that much
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Something important I think that is worth noting; joining into a checkpoint before the furthest one you have will [b]not[/b] overwrite your furthest checkpoint. Just and FYI.
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No because there are many people that will join and just destroy to anyone else... Will suicide,be afk, take the gaze and kill everyone else And without mic you cant decide what everyone will do
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Only if you can opt out of it. If you're stuck with it on all the time it'll cause problems one way or another. Especially with running kings fall with people incapable of learning. It'll just end up causing too much of a headache. Because even though you'll still have some kind of an issue from time to time I'd still much rather use the100 for that sort of thing anymore. At least that way you can look into someone's stats before the game starts and kick them if there's a problem.
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Put an LFG equivalent matchmaking system in the useless ass social spaces we already have. Set requirements, set tone, etc. It doesn't have to be Heroic Strike type matchmaking. The point is just to put an option in the game for people to find teams. FFS give em a Looney Toons sign that says "I wanna Raid." It'd be better than nothing.
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7 RepliesHaving raid matchmaking will actually get more people to try or play the raids every week in my opinion.
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1 ReplyHere's what I propose: if raid matchmaking happens, nobody is allowed to bitch about it. Constructive criticism (posts about how to make it better) is totally cool. Making a post saying "raid matchmaking sucks" or "I only get matchmade with noobs, cluck you Bungie" should result in an immediate ban from Destiny and the forums. Raid matchmaking has been whined for since before day one so I don't believe whining about it, if it were added, should be tolerated.
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Optional matchmaking
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Why not have matchmaking? It's not like you still can't use lfg, it's just another option for doing the raid.
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Edited by chickengoujohn93: 8/28/2016 9:05:46 PM
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2 RepliesWhy are some people against this? I will NEVER use match making for a raid, but if some people want it, then I have no issues with it.
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4 RepliesEdited by EdglnYor: 8/28/2016 7:10:25 PMIt should be an option for all those in favour. For people like me who dont like it, we can still use lfg. Its a win/win. Also if you can only find five on lfg, then you can matchmake the last so it helps. So overall, I will rarely use the feature, but it should be there for those want it.
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1 ReplyGuarantee you if raid matchmaking comes in, posts complaining about it will outnumber the ones that were asking for it
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5 RepliesSome sort of in game group finder - yes. Automatic click and play matchmaking - no.
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2 RepliesEdited by SpakulatorX: 8/28/2016 7:50:23 PMAdd to con list: What about when someone quits or has to leave, and you would prefer to use lfg to replace them. Only it takes awhile for you to find someone, and another player get matchmade in. That player is the wrong class, under leveled, or otherwise not the player you were looking for. So what do you do? Boot em. Now imagine this senerio happening repeatedly, to many players. Matchmake into raid, booted. Matchmake into raid, booted. The forum would explode with complaints. I feel this would upset players more than not being picked up off lfg. Alot of the time people aren't picked up is simply they aren't ready for the raid, not because there is no matchmaking for it. Matchmaking will not fix that problem, people just need to be ready.
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Edited by WINSWITHAGRIN: 8/28/2016 8:31:41 PMA lot of people think that matchmaking will change the way raids are made and kill hardcore raids. I know from experience from other games that this is not true. The division has incursions; missions meant to be played with a strong team with top tier gear and experience with each other. They do have a matchmaking option, put its considered the absolute worst way to even attempt the incursion, even by the developers. This is how I think it will be with destiny. I don't think it will effect the raids at all for hardcore fire teams, just add a way for noobs to get some experience.
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1 ReplyIf they do then there needs to be a vote to kick option if someone is afk
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1 ReplyIn-game lfg system with a dedicated area in the tower.
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My main concern is if we want to 5 man a part or whatever, can we still do that? We need the option to make raids PRIVATE if they do add matchmaking. I vote for yes. I'll likely never use the feature, but I'd like to see people be able to do it if they need to. Here are the reasons I support it. - It's OPTIONAL. Doesn't hurt you in the slightest if you won't use it. - It will open things up for a large portion of the community.
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The thing people dont realize about raid matchmaking is that it CAN impact how raids are designed. Lets look at the game closest to Destiny, The Division, and its raid equivalent, Incursions. These can be match made at all levels. Incursions are also basically glorified horde mode missions, because they have to be simple enough to complete with a match made group of PUGS who may or may not have mics. They have almost no mechanics. They are designed to be played around the possibility that a bunch of guys with no mics and no experience can beat it. And you dont even have to look outside of Destiny to see this. Strikes are designed the same way. Simple "shoot and run" mechanics that a group of 3 with no mics can easily complete. Destiny raids are designed around the idea of 6 people with mics. If we add match making, it is possible that raids would need to be designed to allow match made groups with no mics to complete them.
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Even with matchmaking, no one is forcing you to use it. Use lfg sites to make better teams. I think it should be in game as I'd probably use it once in a while but for the most part I would still use lfg sites.
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They should have the option for matching and one simple requirement "MICS" . Destiny knows if a mic is connected or not . And if you don't have a mic connected for the raid you don't meet the requirements. If kings fall or the new roi raid doesn't have matchmaking not a big deal at least the older raids should have it by now!
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No raids should have matchmaking period!!! The people who would use this would not like raiding afterwards. Let's say someone wants to do a raid for the first time, they get started and have a whole bunch of other first timers and only half of them have mics. They would get so frustrated getting coordinated that half of them will quit. Now that those people quit how are they going to get a replacement? Another random person? What if that person doesn't want to start where the that group is at? Then he/she will leave also right? And what if they next person to join was afk? Just hoping to get carried through, people do this is strike you know... and would most likely do this is the raid. Also I want to say about 20% of the population are just trolls and will just pay around. The only thing that would help people who don't want to use LFG is to put a chat in the tower, and expand the population of the reef and tower to 50 or more people. Since we are dropping legacy consoles hope Bungie can do this. It's so damn easy to get get on a device and go to LFG or go to bungies website to find people also.
