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Edited by zombiehaddock:
8/30/2016 5:04:56 PM
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Bungie's disgraceful position to ignore people's right to fair trial is a rather vile and sinister act that is repeated throughout the gaming industry. The disdain it demonstrates for other people is disgraceful.
The principle to fair trial is guaranteed under the human rights act yet these companies whose employees benefit greatly from the act completely ignore the principles of it when it suits them for money, no other reason. Abject greed.
I'm aware of course that their are people out there who will not compare the principle but rather state that death by firing squad in a dictatorship isn't the same as being banned/suspended from a game. Now I'm probably not able to change their mind but others may. My view is that withholding a right to fair trial is censorship.
[quote]In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson [/quote]
[quote]Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever. Noam Chomsky
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[quote]First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemöller
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Edit: So I believe in principle that someone should be able to defend themselves and have access to evidence against them so they can refute it. I believe that as Bungie staff themselves enjoy these rights they should extend them to others. Very much along the lines of treat others...
Seemingly this idea is irrational to some people and they have told me I am irrational by calling me a lunatic, a paranoid schizophrenic amongst other things.
Well calling people irrational using such hyperbolic terminology is in my eyes epitomises their irrational behaviour.
If you think the current system Bungie employ is reasonable and fair then that is your opinion. I don't agree with it but we are not arguing whether 1+1=2. There is no absolute fact here. It is opinion.
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Oy vey
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WTF? Its a game dude.
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Do you even EULA??
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I wasn't aware EULA was a verb.
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Lol well now you are aware ;)
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Um... I'd rather Bungie continue to staff up their development and public relations teams rather than hire judges and so on... Why are you on a video game forum? Shouldn't you be at a civil rights rally or something? [Mumbles to self: [i]There really are all types, aren't there. You never know what type of person you'll run into out there these days...[/i]]
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Another one who failed government class.
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You do realize that to play Destiny, you agree to their EULA, correct? By accepting thier licensing agreement, you give up whatever "right to trial" there may be because there is a clause that states so. Don't get on your high horse when you accepted the agreement itself.
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Getting on my high horse? There is a principle in law and in the human rights act which all Bungie employees get to benefit from in their lives and I'm stating that I find Bungie's refusal to allow its customers those rights when challenging a decision to ban/suspend them is against those principles and I that their method is sinister because of the secrecy it is shrouded in. The only people on their high horse are Bungie in this matter because they apply such an arbitrary system.
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You evidently don't know what you are talking about. A EULA is not a social contract, it is a business one, and as such only has to follow business laws. As long as it is not illegal by law, anything in that EULA is morally correct and will never violate human rights. You can't equate the rights of a person to the rights of a company because they are two distinctly different entities. Companies themselves don't receive human rights because they are (obviously) not a human but an organization. Conversely, as long as they don't infringe on your rights, a company doesn't have to follow those rule. Again, they are not bound by a social contract because they don't make laws in the real world. Morals have [i]no[/i] place in business transactions, because morals are applied on a personal level. Ethics, on the other hand, are very relevant here. If you actually wanted to make a case for the OP, then you should have argued from an ethical standpoint. Pulling out moral philosophy where it doesn't belong is why I said you were on a high horse. There are ways arguments should be structured if you want to ever be taken seriously. For example, is it ethical for Bungie to withhold ban informations for the person accused? Just saying that you have the right to this info is [i]completely false[/i]; you agreed to forfeit that right as a condition to play the game. However, you can argue that it isn't a good business practice to not be transparent. If Bungie were to use thier power to ban when to terms were broken, and hid it behind their non-disclosure policy, then that's unethical because they they are breaking their agreement. Even if the agreement isn't actually broken, the trust in their contract is, and they can still face consequences for those actions. Don't try to paint a bureaucratic system to ban people in a videogame, of all things, as "[i]sinister[/i]". The melodramatic approach doesn't add anything, it just makes you look foolish. Sometimes it's just best to keep things simple rather that trying to be pretentious.
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[quote]You evidently don't know what you are talking about.[/quote] Pot, kettle, black. You are funny. Why have you got your knickers in such a twist at my opinion?
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[quote]Pot, kettle, black. You are funny. [/quote] Exactly how can you use this phrase?! The guy knows what he's talking about, you don't lol. Your opinion is just laughable, and I would even say delusional.
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Not getting it are you?
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Hard to "get it" when you're all over the place lol. Try to specify and simplify your point, it does wonders!
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It is simple, you are just not getting it. Here, Bungie's employees enjoy rights as do millions of other people yet Bungie's employees won't apply the same rights to people they ban/suspend from the game. These rights are pretty basic and are integral to a fair trial which is the right to trial and the right to see the evidence. In my opinion it is a sinister and corrupt method just like any other kangaroo court.
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Ok and that's why your opinion is laughable. When you try to compare a real life court situation that involves human rights, to a video game restriction, that's where I get the idea your opinion is delusional. The beauty of it is that playing this game isn't a right. You aren't forced to play this game but if you do you have to follow their own set of rules. You coming on here and ranting about human rights in a virtual world will NEVER change their policy, which is further proving your opinion is laughable.
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You're meandering apathy is laughable. Yet your deliberately obtuse nature is dull.
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My obtuse nature?! You're the one crying "human rights" over a damn video game. People accepted the EULA, so to continue to play their game you follow what's written in the EULA. You're desperately trying to sound intelligent, but what your whole entire rant is based on makes you look completely stupid. Judging by the other responses I've seen, I'm not the only one who thinks so too. Take care fella!
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See, there you go. Being obtuse. I'm not crying. Simply because i have a principle you do not share doesn't mean I'm crying. Only if you are being incredibly obtuse would you make that conclusion.
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[quote]You do realize that to play Destiny, you agree to their EULA, correct? By accepting thier licensing agreement, you give up whatever "right to trial" there may be because there is a clause that states so. Don't get on your high horse when you accepted the agreement itself.[/quote] Exactly where my mind went... Bungie created a universe. It's their intellectual property. They run it as they see fit. It's their domain, literally. He doesn't like how they run it, so he cries bloody murder using all this lingo from civil liberties and so on... thus ignoring his right to find another game that is run the way he sees fit, or to start his own game and run it his own way... He doesn't recognize the dictatorial reach of his message. "Run [b]YOUR[/b] game [b]MY[/b] way!!!" The contradictions of it all are mind numbing if you keep letting it swirl around your noggin, huh?
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I'm not saying run the game my way am I you obtuse little fellow. My post is very easy to understand and I am asking that Bungie apply the rules they enjoy and live with equally toward their customers. That's not my way, that's the way of the human rights act which all Bungie employees get to enjoy living under and benefit from.
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[quote]I'm not saying run the game my way am I you obtuse little fellow. My post is very easy to understand and I am asking that Bungie apply the rules they enjoy and live with equally toward their customers. That's not my way, that's the way of the human rights act which all Bungie employees get to enjoy living under and benefit from.[/quote] So does the human rights act cover alien species or virtual avatars in the world you live in?
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[quote]So does the human rights act cover alien species or virtual avatars in the world you live in?[/quote] and you're done.
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Just remember, this game is a privilege, not a right. Taking time to follow every human rights law within their own game would be costly for them, and eventually us. They simplified the way they handle certain situations to focus on the big picture.
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[quote]You do realize that to play Destiny, you agree to their EULA, correct? By accepting thier licensing agreement, you give up whatever "right to trial" there may be because there is a clause that states so. Don't get on your high horse when you accepted the agreement itself.[/quote] Yes, I disagree with the principle though and I'd expect companies whose employees and management benefit from the Human rights act to respect it and apply those principles.
