[quote]What if someone wants to compare games to Destiny, that allowed?[/quote] Yes. It's the only way a thread involving Destiny is really allowed in #Gaming. Threads comparing Destiny to other games in #Destiny have been moved to #Gaming. [quote]What if someone takes a post out of context because certain games use the same terminology as Destiny?[/quote] Then the thread can stay in #Gaming, and the person taking it out of context should be corrected in a kind manner. [quote]And really, animosity? False reporting? Over this?[/quote] Yeah the animosity is a major issue that does need to be reported. Moderation also asked for us to report threads that are out of place so they can find them, and threads that are out of place do technically count as a disruption of forum structure. [quote]The adult thing to do would be to skim past the post if it bothers you that much.[/quote] that's part of the system for dealing this these things typically. Misposts are meant to be either helped into their right place, or left to rot. Not everyone remember the latter part, and will bump misposts that should by all right be dead. [quote]If it follows Bungie.nets guidelines and procedures, is not insulting etc, then it doesn't matter what people choose to discuss. [/quote] #Gamingms description, Cozmo's thread pinned to the top of this subforum, multiple threads by ninjas or replied to misposts made by ninjas do sort of say otherwise. [quote]And if it does, that is why the site has moderators, if they feel the post should be moved or taken down, they can say so[/quote] except moderation lacks manpower in #Gaming, and some of them know it. That's why one of them at one point asked for users to try and help them in a respectful manner. Some users today still work with moderators in handling misposts. [quote]You have no right to try and censor people over discussing a video game on a site devoted to video games.[/quote] It's only censoring when it's done wrong. The entire goal of this is to move a thread to where it's best audience is. In #Gaming, a thread purely about Destiny is like a viagra commercial in a Saturday morning cartoon block on a channel, or a science fiction novel in the non-fiction part of a bookstore. It's where the intended audience isn't. When a thread is moved, it's taken to the subforum where it's intended audience is. Failure is when the thread is taken down. In that case, if the thread was not spammed across multiple subforums or something, then it was because either the people who wanted it to move, the OP of the thread, or both parties decided to be assholes, and it got to a point where the only way to contain the conflict that follows is to to close off the thread to everyone. Although in the subject you've been making on how there's no cut and dry exact rule about where to put your thread... This was discussed once in an old PSA on this very subject: [quote][b]"There is nothing in the CoC that says I cannot post LFG or Destiny topics here!":[/b] This is true, but Bungie expects people to post where the intended audience is and use their best judgement. [spoiler]Prometheus25 (Ninja/Moderator in regards to why it's not specified Destiny threads do not belong in #Gaming): [quote]Because not everything should need to be spelled out and spoon-fed.[/quote][/spoiler][spoiler]True Underdog (Ninja/Moderator):[quote]The more specific rules you add, the more loopholes and "that's not a specific rule so you can't ban/warn me for that" we run into. If you saw the rules pre-2011, you'd know that they were extremely overreaching and ended up in a not-so-fun game of "I'm not touching you."[/quote][/spoiler][spoiler]Bungie.net Code of Conduct:[quote]Bungie reserves the right to control this website and everything on it. These guidelines require you to use your best judgment. Play nice. If you're not sure if the stuff you're about to share with the world is appropriate for Bungie.net, don’t post it. That'll help you stay clear of the Banhammer's blast radius.[/quote][/spoiler][/quote] Sometime after this thread was made, a ninja had this to say on that subject during an argument about thread placement: [spoiler][quote]The web forum team expects users to be able to apply a little common sense to those abbreviated descriptions and also realize there's an entire sub-forum dedicated to all things Destiny. The team shouldn't have to say, "Talk about any [i]other[/i] game" but unfortunately that's not the case, which is why Cozmo details posting expectations in his #Gaming sticky. Members who insist on falling back on the abbreviated description are just being stubborn and contrarian. That does no one any good.[/quote][/spoiler]

Obviously we are not speaking of someone who desires to make a post about Destiny class balance under gaming. We are speaking of just what I stated, comparisons, etc. And this acceptable. However, when I tired to make such a post, I was harrassed, bullied, and lectured over placement. Common sense works both ways. If you desire people to follow certain unspoken guidelines of procedure, then when the '' Offense '' occurs, one, these people need to handle it better, and two, they need to actually read the post and see what context actually applies. This is an attempt at bullying. Plain and simple. Taking words, meanings and opinions out of context simply because it says '' Destiny '' or is related to Destiny in any way. If someone makes a harmless comparison post between COD and Destiny for instance, one there would be no other place to put the post that would make sense other than here. And two, people should be intelligent enough to understand why that particular post was placed where it was in the first place. You are speaking of two games, sometimes more than two. Why would one place a generalized post regarding two or more games as an opinion piece under '' Feedback '' Because Destiny is one of the games being compared? No. Obviously that is not reasonable. Censoring is censoring. Done wrong or done right is not the issue. There are varying degrees. But the problem is as I stated. If someone doesn't like the post, or doesn't agree with it, it's far easier, and far lazier to simply condemn it in another fashion using unspoken guidelines and absurd expectations such as these. It's weapons for trolls. Nothing more. As for Bungie lacking manpower, look, you guys are not Bungie employees. It's not your responsibility to judge every post and every opinion and degrade people for it. Nobody asked you to pick up the slack. Well maybe Ninjas did I don't know, But if you do, the least you could do us actually read the post before passing judgement on it on way or the other. I also believe you are suggesting if they had more people more posts would be removed or moved? I don't see that. Because unlike most people they would probably focus more on the subject matter, and use that common sense before jumping to any conclusions simply because Destiny is a part of it. And wait what? I just caught that part. If you the reader takes the post out of context the Author should be corrected? LOL umm no, how about instead you learn reading comprehension skills. And am I to infer that as meaning no Destiny terminology can be used under gaming at all? Wow, you have got to be joking. So if I use the word '' Super '' under the context of another game that may use the same type of mechanic, you are going to correct me and kindly tell me to remove or change it? To what, spectacular ability? Give me a break. I thought you guys had high opinions of yourselves but Jesus. That is taking it to a whole other level. Thanks for the drawn out response. But you really didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, or bother to address the real issue. As a matter of fact it was kind of creepy. This isn't a dictatorship last time I checked.

[quote]Obviously we are not speaking of someone who desires to make a post about Destiny class balance under gaming. We are speaking of just what I stated, comparisons, etc. And this acceptable. However, when I tired to make such a post, I was harrassed, bullied, and lectured over placement. Common sense works both ways.[/quote] Quite a few minds do lash out against Destiny whenever they find it, and some of those who try and helpfully hunt misposts do jump the gun at times. Unfortunately for many the OP is all that is read before conclusions are drawn. I certainly hope those disrespectful replies were reported, and I certainly hope a ninja found them. [quote]If you desire people to follow certain unspoken guidelines of procedure, then when the '' Offense '' occurs, one, these people need to handle it better, and two, they need to actually read the post and see what context actually applies.[/quote] Agreed. The most toxic method of dealing with misposts seems to sadly be the more common method at times. Attempts are made to thin those ranks every mispost spotted, but it never seems to be enough. Though because of how these rules go unspoken for such long periods of times is why I'm glad this thread here exists. A while back there were set rules made for handling misposts, and at times threads were made to remind everyone of those rules. With hope those rules will make a return to the minds of #Gaming, although it is most definitely certain that not everyone will listen. The context issue I have mentioned before. How does one teach another to avoid jumping the gun, especially when they themselves still make the same mistake at times? [quote]It's weapons for trolls. Nothing more.[/quote] There's still those who use it for good, or at least try. Issue is they are the least vocal. [quote]As for Bungie lacking manpower, look, you guys are not Bungie employees. It's not your responsibility to judge every post and every opinion and degrade people for it.[/quote] Moderation here (ninjas and mentors) are not employees either, but carefully picked volunteers (not that it matters for this subject, but fun fact!). Some have decided to be helpful though, and others have decided to be assholes and claim it's being helpful. It's a volunteer effort that needs a volunteer effort to keep it in line. [quote]Nobody asked you to pick up the slack. Well maybe Ninjas did I don't know, But if you do, the least you could do us actually read the post before passing judgement on it on way or the other.[/quote] [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/175567092/0/0/1]There was at least one Ninja that asked for our assistance, back when #Recruitmwant was created to stem the tide of Destiny LFG in #Gaming.[/url] only a handful of people who read that thread are still around, and the useful guidelines in said thread were only successfully passed on to so "many". Those who do follow these guidelines do try their best to know for sure the thread is one that must be moved, but most people followed #Offtopic's guidelines, and #Offtopic preferred shooting first, with toxicity (assuming they've improved thanks to most threads referencing Destiny in #Offtopic quickly change subjects in the body of the thread to mess with people). [quote] I also believe you are suggesting if they had more people more posts would be removed or moved? I don't see that. Because unlike most people they would probably focus more on the subject matter, and use that common sense before jumping to any conclusions simply because Destiny is a part of it.[/quote] I believe more that more people who take threads out of context would be proven wrong, and misposts would be moved quicker, those who decide to disrespectfully respond to them dealt with more efficiently. They apply that common sense fine in #Destiny, I've seen plenty of comparison threads moved here. [quote]And wait what? I just caught that part. If you the reader takes the post out of context the Author should be corrected?[/quote] I just rechecked that portion and I'm still wondering what part of my wording makes it seems like that, could you please point it out and explain how I can fix it? I [i]really[/i] don't want to give off that idea, the gun has been jumped enough. [quote]And am I to infer that as meaning no Destiny terminology can be used under gaming at all? Wow, you have got to be joking.[/quote] If anything I said there somehow implies that then please help me fix that, because that's not what I was trying to imply at all. The terminology is fine in ways such as your example of [quote] if I use the word '' Super '' under the context of another game that may use the same type of mechanic[/quote] and people have actually done this without much question back when the Division was frequently discussed. I do know there are some people who will take offense to it though, but it should not be the standard response. If somebody is giving another person shit just because they made a reference to destiny when talking about something else, then they should be either told to be respected, whether it's by user or moderator. [quote]Thanks for the drawn out response. But you really didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, or bother to address the real issue. As a matter of fact it was kind of creepy. This isn't a dictatorship last time I checked.[/quote] And for all of that, I am sincerely sorry.

Why did you repost my comments? You can't keep them in your head? I find it disrespectful to have my words read back to me. I don't know if that was your intent or what, but please refrain from doing it with me.

My further apologies. I typically do that to organize my own responses to lengthier replies.

You need to learn what censorship means. You are more than free to talk about De$tiny in the appropriate locations, but as you are in a privately owned location you must abide by the rules set forth by the owners. One of those rules is no De$tiny here. Crying "censorship" devalues the concept in places where there really is censorship.

Ummm no. Trying to shut down opinions and speech you don't like, not because they are offensive or hateful, but because they are simply in the wrong category according to you, is exactly that. I am more than free to talk about Destiny right here, because there are no restrictions other then what you are trying to impose yourself. Show me the rule, where did Bungie state Destiny can't be discussed under gaming? Where is it?

Read the forum description. And learn what censorship means.

The forum description is not a rule, it's an invitation. Learn the difference. And while you are at it, look up the definition for censorship.

People like you are the reason there's such hostility toward De$tiny related topics in # gaming. It's this childish sense of entitlement, basically like a four year old, that you can do anything you want that no doubt spawned the pejorative "desticle". You are not being censored. If you make a Destiny related post here, it's not removed, it's moved. That is the right of the company hosting a private forum. You are also free to create your own forum and make all the posts you want. Should I choose to make a hateful rant against destiny, the same people have the right to remove it and ban me. I'm not being censored as i can make that same rant in other other medium i either pay for our will allow me. It's the same as not being able to hold a satanic mass at a Catholic church whenever I want - I'm not being prevented from holding the mass, but I can't do it anyplace I desire. I challenge you to make destiny posts in gaming. When they're moved, come right back and do it again. Repeat until you learn what a rule is, or you get banned. Then hire a lawyer and sue for infringement of free speech.

Funny I was thinking the exact same thing about you. Still waiting for the rule by the way. You going to get around to actually posting it or what? I have made quite a few Destiny related posts under gaming and have seen plenty of others. And they were not moved. I also already said, if you had bothered to pay attention, not hateful, not offensive. If you make that sort of post it absolutely should be removed. Satanic Mass? Bad analogy. Posting a Destiny related topic under gaming will not incite hate, it will not, or at least it shouldn't, and that's the whole point, create strife. Show me proof of someone actually getting banned for making a Destiny post here. Even if you do, I promise you it had nothing to do with Destiny.

Ok, based on your ability to create coherent sentences and paragraphs, I'm going to assume you're reasonably intelligent. You also seem well versed on the forum rules (aside from recognizing the one in question), so I'll ask you - knowing all of this, knowing the various subforums, and knowing the reaction to destiny specific topics, [i]why[/i] do you knowingly post Density specific topics in #gaming?

I'm still waiting for the rule that states without question Destiny posts are not allowed by the administrators of Bungie.net in gaming. In the meantime I'll be happy to answer your question. There are a number of reasons. Comparisons, game mechanics that most fps titles share, like SBMM in COD, etc, the fact that Destiny is arguably the most played fps on the market as of now. it's absurd to think it can't be discussed as that separate entity. Like it doesn't exist. It's had an impact on the gaming world obviously. So it stands to reason that it will be discussed, at least in an offhand fashion, on a site mostly devoted to it in the first place. Even under # Gaming. This is not unreasonable. The only people getting bent out of shape are the ones taking these posts out of context. Most of the posts I have seen are not 100% Destiny specific. But even if they were, you can simply scroll past them, or let the moderators impose this invisible, made up rule that doesn't even exist. But to sit there and moan about reporting, and going on a crusade to remove anyone's opinions if it in any way relates to Destiny, is quite frankly childish. And it is censoring.

Again, the rule is in the forum description. How you choose to interprete this as an "invitation" is beyond me. Destiny as an aspect of a topic has never been a problem. So, this is only getting circular, you won't accept the clearly stated forum description as the rule, even though it is generated by Bungie. I strongly suspect your deliberate obtuseness is trolling and you choose the disguise it as your definition of censorship, classic fake persecution complex. I'm out.

While I think you're getting a bit hysterical over thread classification, I also wonder what to do about threads that include Destiny and other games.

I'm getting hysterical? WOW, You see me using words like animosity? Reporting? You have it the other way around. I am simply calling it exactly how I see it. It's made up, like the Easter Bunny. Someone doesn't like it, doesn't mean it's against any rules, because there isn't a specific rule that says you can't do it.