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5/10/2016 4:09:47 AM
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The "weight of darkness" imo could work similarly to "shadow touched", it smothers your Light and thus temporarily drains your strength. And the Lamps reduce/remove the buff because they emit (possibly blighted) Light. I don't think the Bridge is a team test, it's not like Crota expects only teams. Ofc the Doylist explanation is that the gameplay mechanics are designed for teamwork. The reason Ir Yût doesn't start her Song right away might also be because it would also kill all of her minions. In the Book of Sorrows the 1st time the Death Song was sung it killed everything in Xivu Arath's Throne World. Crota didn't invent the Oversoul, his sisters did. They create it, tell Oryx about it when he asks, then Oryx told Crota to watch over what they were doing. Presumably this is when he learned it. Guardians can down his shield and put him on his knees with their bullets (well rockets mostly) because any gear they use is only a channel for their Light. Guns can't hurt Crota, the Light channeled through guns can. But in the case of Crota it can only tire him so to speak, it can't cause mortal harm. For that you need an Ascendant Blade, a weapon that has been steeped in Sword Logic for eons. But I don't think it's the sword alone, the Guardian wielding it is also channeling their own Sword Logic acquired through the passing of challenges and the slaying of ascendants within the Throne World. The Oversoul is not a physical thing, it's a spell that separates one's death from one's essence, it's a paracausal ability. The reason we can damage it is because Guardians are paracausal too.
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  • I will argue the point about Crota inventing the oversoul and the bridge bit. He was the one that opened the rupture and learned from it, how to perfect an oversoul. And the bit about the bridge would make more sense because it's Crota's special way of killing things like all the other hive gods. (oryx uses rituals, Xivu Arath would use brute force, Savathun would use trickery, etc.)

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  • It's from Book of Sorrows verse 4:8, this passage is a quote by Ir Alak and Ir Anuk: “We propose a method by which Ascendant souls can be detached and integrated into a tautological and autonomous thanatosphere, which we tentatively term an oversoul. Oversouls can be stored in a throne world as a mechanism of enhanced death resilience. As a side effect, new refinements to our Deathsong may be achieved, moving us closer to a generally effective paracausal death impulse.” They clearly state that they just created the concept of Oversouls ^ Then Oryx said: “Go keep an eye on your sisters"[...]"You can learn cunning from them.” It's only after this that Crota said "I too will experiment with a wound", as in, he'll try inventing a new thing too, different from what his sisters did. And he -blam!-ed up cause it just summoned an invasion. Though obviously he learned the spell properly later on.

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  • I know the concept of the oversoul didn't come from crota, but he did succeed in perfecting it by screwing it up the first time, as this was after all, an experiment being conducted by him and his sisters..

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  • Except his version just does what his sisters described to Oryx, so he didn't really "perfect" it, he just learned the normal version.

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