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THE NEW IP Bungie Formula:Durandal, Cortana, Joyeuse?

***Long friggin' post alert!*** [u]THIS IS A REVISED VERSION![/u] [quote][u]PLEASE FAVORITE THIS THREAD FOR FURTHER UPDATES![/u][/quote] The vast majority of my edits are due to [url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=40929715&postRepeater1-p=8#41730446]Ender's post here[/url] among others. I will cite him as much as possible in here. [quote]"My name is Cortana, of the same steel and temper as Joyeuse and Durendal."[/quote] [b]Reader's Digest Version-ish[/b] This quote is the focus of my theory for a "formula" for Bungie trilogies. The quote above speaks of three famous swords that had once come together in battle. The three swords seem to correspond with two of the AIs from Marathon (Durandal) and Halo (Cortana). The third sword, Joyeuse, is the mystery AI and holder. If the first two swords can be proven to purposely correspond with the game characters, then perhaps Joyeuse and its holder (Charlemagne) is what the new IP's characters will be like. This theory also ties into several other theories. But in order to connect them while making sense, I must explain how and why the AIs and their swords correspond. As you read, keep [url=http://marathongame.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]Pfhorpedia[/url] handy if you're not in tune with the Marathon universe. While we're at it, [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page]this[/url] and [url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/]this[/url] may come in handy. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY THE MARATHON TRILOGY YOURSELF: Download the games through [url=http://source.bungie.org/index.php?title=Get_Marathon]Aleph One[/url]. We'll be talking a lot of Marathon in here, my friends. So to set the mood: ***JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START*** ***TRANSPORT WHEN READY*** Dear reader, This is going to be a huge post. A [i]good[/i] post, but a long one. I mean, this [i]will[/i] take several slots to cover. So, grab a nice cup of coffee and a pair of reading glasses or something that will keep you awake and in your chair. Until the coffee passes though. [b]I will also ask you to take this thing with a pinch of salt[/b]. I don't know if this is the truth in its entirety, and you probably don't either. Unless you're someone like Joe Staten or Jason Jones who's [i]really[/i] bored on a coffee break and stumbled upon this thing. Then, of course, you'd know if this is dumb speculation or not. Wishful thinking, right? [u]Please, please, please!!![/u] Give me feedback on this, tell me about anything you may dig up on this stuff, and if any of my facts/lore/spelling/[b]grammer[/b]/bad jokes/historical events are incorrect. ***JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START*** ***TRANSPORT WHEN READY*** [quote]Durandal-Durendal (Endurance- True definition unknown)*[/quote] *The name probably comes from the French verb "durer", "to endure". [u]Sword Info:[/u] In The Song of Roland, the sword is said to contain within its golden hilt one tooth of Saint Peter, blood of Saint Basil, hair of Saint Denis, and a piece of the raiment of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the poem, *[i]Roland attempts to break Durendal by smiting it against a marble block ten times. This proves fruitless. The myth of him creating La Brèche is merely a folktale of the land. It is not stated as such in La Chanson de Roland (The Song of Roland).[/i] According to Ludovico Ariosto's Orlando Furioso it once belonged to Hector of Troy, and was given to Roland by Maugris. *[i]Orlando Furioso is a work created centuries after La Chanson do Roland. In La Chanson, it is made clear that Charlemagne was given instructions by the angel Gabriel to let Roland wield Durendal.[/i] By Ender. In [i]Marathon[/i], Durandal [u]told the player[/u] that he did not want to suffer the same fate as Leela, so he asked to be destroyed.* The player finds out that Durandal was not actually destroyed, just as Roland couldn't destroy the sword. (Note that the fate of Leela turned out to be completely different and that Durandal didn't actually want to be destroyed. He was loopy and rampant.) *[i]Please note that Durandal's request to be destroyed was part of a plot of his own, and not an honest request and that Leela was not actually destroyed either.[/i] [b]Holders:[/b] Hector of Troy and Count Roland Note: [i]MRN54 [url=http://www.marathon.org/story/mjolnir.html]may or may not be you[/url].[/i] [u]Hector of Troy & Mjolnir Recon Number 54[/u] (Not the forum ninja) Hector was a Trojan prince and the greatest fighter of Troy in the Trojan War and the son of Priam and Hecuba, a descendant of Dardanus (son of Zeus and Electra). Because Hector was a descendant of several gods, he would in theory be a hybrid of sorts. The parallel here is that MRN54 [i]is[/i] a cyborg and a fighter. From Marathon.Bungie.Org: [quote] There are those references to your physical ability: [i]You slam your fist in frustration onto the control panel[/i](Manual page 2) Whether this is of significance or not depends largely on what material the control panel is made of. We have no information on this. [i]It's funny, but you've always been the colony's trouble shooter. You're bigger and stronger, and a better shot. In games, you always scored the most points and looked the hero. (Manual page 2)[/i] [/quote]. [quote] Alas! the gods have lured me on to my destruction. ... death is now indeed exceedingly near at hand and there is no way out of it- for so Zeus and his son Apollo the far-darter have willed it, though heretofore they have been ever ready to protect me.} My doom has come upon me; let me not then die ingloriously and without a struggle, but let me first do some great thing that shall be told among men hereafter." -Spoken by Hector facing Achilles, after a missed spear-throw, The Iliad Book XXII Lines 299-305.[/quote] This quote could represent the AIs in the trilogy toying and luring the player towards his destruction or towards their will. The AIs had protected the player for their plans, and in a sense, the player was doomed to what they had in store for him. [u]Count Roland & MRN54:[/u] The tale of Roland's death is retold in the eleventh century poem [i]The Song of Roland[/i], where he is equipped with an unbreakable sword, enchanted by various Christian relics, named Durendal. As said earlier, Roland couldn't break the sword, just as MRN54 couldn't break Durandal throughout the trilogy. Orlando Furiouso (among other works) includes Roland's battle with a Saracen giant named Ferracutus who is only vulnerable at his navel. The W'rkncacnter; a being(s) seemingly indestructible may have been a reference to Ferractus. The Sacren's navel may have been represented by activating a Jjaro station to trap the W'rkncacnter. [quote] [i]To stop the Pfhor from their folly and our demise, you must activate the ancient station that Yrro used eons ago to trap the W'rkncacnter. If we can activate it in time, it will crush the Pfhor fleet before we're all destroyed.[/i] *You Think You're Big Time? You're Gonna Die Big Time! (Terminal 1)*[/quote] [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Ender If we restrict our view to the first Marathon game, it is more likely that the Ferracutus analogy is to The Pfhor. They are larger in numbers, more technologically advanced, and ready to squash us. We, however, find that they rely heavily on the S'pht slaves they captured. Durandal instructs us to free them and we do so, allowing a rebellion to unfold, crushing the Pfhor attack.[/quote] At last, a confirmation (one of many) of the connection between Roland's sword and your well behaved AI (Yes, that was sarcasm): The first terminal on Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! relates the tale of Count Roland, who near death, attempts to break his sword to prevent it from being taken by the Saracens. [quote][i]Count Roland smites upon the marble stone; I cannot tell you how he hewed it and smote; Yet the blade breaks not nor splinters, though it groans; Upward to heaven it rebounds from the blow. When the count sees it never will be broke, Then to himself right softly he makes moan; 'Ah, Durandal, fair, hallowed, and devote, What store of relics lies in thy hilt of gold!' -From The Song of Roland (Translated by Dorothy Sayers, Viking Penguin, NY, NY, 1957)[/i] *Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! (Terminal 1)*[/quote] [u]Roland and Charlemagne references by Durandal:[/u] -[url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/sphtkr.html#Feel%20the%20Noise]Feel the noise[/url] -[url=http://marathon.bungie.org/story/roland.html]Roland[/url] By gathering this information, I can say with confidence that Durandal is [i]defiantly[/i] the spitting AI image of the sword Durendal, and that it's holders Roland and Hector are the inspiration for MRN54's situation involving the AIs in Marathon; specifically Durandal. ***JUMP PAD ACTIVATION INITIATION START*** ***TRANSPORT WHEN READY** [Edited on 02.12.2011 1:12 PM PST]
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    Someone already made a Joyeuse 7 account here on b.net and tried to look like an ARG character. The message is very Marathon-esque. Heck, it's like the whole video was ripped from the thread. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MaxKudos I was browsing Unfiction (ARG/viral marketing forum where a lot of I Love Bees discussion went down) and found [URL=http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32738]this thread[/URL] about a weird YouTube video with codes and stuff. Checked out the video and it had the Destiny logo and the uploader was 'Joyeuse.' Made me lol and think of this thread. Whoever made it had the same idea as the OP I guess. [/quote]
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      I'm not sure about him. We'd have go back and check Joyeuse's story. OB may be the knight who recovered the sword, though. I'd have to check.
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        I think that there are parallels between the IPs, and then there are the parallels within the IP... If that makes any sense. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sangheilioz [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Nis085 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 I'm not sure about him. We'd have go back and check Joyeuse's story. OB may be the knight who recovered the sword, though. I'd have to check.[/quote] I'll look back and try to find something. The new IP (I feel) is going to dig a bit deeper into OBs purpose. There might be some relation. I'll get back to this when I find something.[/quote] Unfortunately, I doubt this. The new IP is, by nature, separate from the Haloverse. ANYTHING in the Haloverse belongs to Microsoft because it falls under the Halo IP umbrella. That said, it could be "very similar" to OB's story, just in a different universe.[/quote]
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      • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sangheilioz That said, it could be "very similar" to OB's story, just in a different universe.[/quote] That's what I was getting at. My apologizes, I'm exhausted from just a lack of sleep and a long day of work.
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      • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Nis085 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 I'm not sure about him. We'd have go back and check Joyeuse's story. OB may be the knight who recovered the sword, though. I'd have to check.[/quote] I'll look back and try to find something. The new IP (I feel) is going to dig a bit deeper into OBs purpose. There might be some relation. I'll get back to this when I find something.[/quote] Unfortunately, I doubt this. The new IP is, by nature, separate from the Haloverse. ANYTHING in the Haloverse belongs to Microsoft because it falls under the Halo IP umbrella. That said, it could be "very similar" to OB's story, just in a different universe.
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      • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 I'm not sure about him. We'd have go back and check Joyeuse's story. OB may be the knight who recovered the sword, though. I'd have to check.[/quote] I'll look back and try to find something. The new IP (I feel) is going to dig a bit deeper into OBs purpose. There might be some relation. I'll get back to this when I find something.
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      • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 Did I lecture you about not reading through the whole thing? I am proud, son. And the more I think about it, I do agree that (in the Haloverse at least) that Mendicant Bias = Joyeuse. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sangheilioz Fantastic theory, Cortana! I suspect our new "Charlemagne" is a precursor-esque entity... It's heavily speculated that the Gravemind and its flood are a product of the Precursor. So, just as Ogier slew Charlot, Chief slew the Gravemind. Also, reading through the bits about the sword Joyeuse immediately brought to mind Mendicant Bias. These are just first-glance observations and I doubt they're anywhere near the truth as the new IP will be independent of Halo. Still, food for thought. On a side note, it was nice meeting you Friday evening![/quote][/quote] I admit that I didn't read the whole thread, but I did read all of the original posts. I was a bit too strapped for time after getting through those and wanted to give you my initial impressions. At some point I'll read through it all, I promise. :P EDIT: You did not lecture me, btw. I was with Tyrant and met up with you and the ninjas at Taphouse, just as a reminder. [Edited on 08.30.2011 4:36 PM PDT]
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      • What of Offensive Bias then? We knew his purpose (In the Halo Universe) was solely to defeat Mendicant Bias. [Note: I, also, agree that Mendicant Bias = Joyeuse.] Anything in regards to him, Cortana V? Any correlations? I looked back throughout the thread and couldn't find anything in his regards. I'm not sure if it's been brought up as of yet even. Or if I might have mentioned him in the past or not.
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        Did I lecture you about not reading through the whole thing? I am proud, son. And the more I think about it, I do agree that (in the Haloverse at least) that Mendicant Bias = Joyeuse. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Sangheilioz Fantastic theory, Cortana! I suspect our new "Charlemagne" is a precursor-esque entity... It's heavily speculated that the Gravemind and its flood are a product of the Precursor. So, just as Ogier slew Charlot, Chief slew the Gravemind. Also, reading through the bits about the sword Joyeuse immediately brought to mind Mendicant Bias. These are just first-glance observations and I doubt they're anywhere near the truth as the new IP will be independent of Halo. Still, food for thought. On a side note, it was nice meeting you Friday evening![/quote]
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      • Fantastic theory, Cortana! I suspect our new "Charlemagne" is a precursor-esque entity... It's heavily speculated that the Gravemind and its flood are a product of the Precursor. So, just as Ogier slew Charlot, Chief slew the Gravemind. Also, reading through the bits about the sword Joyeuse immediately brought to mind Mendicant Bias. These are just first-glance observations and I doubt they're anywhere near the truth as the new IP will be independent of Halo. Still, food for thought. On a side note, it was nice meeting you Friday evening!
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      • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ExquisiteDragon My brain....so much awesome info.....Epic post Cortana. =)[/quote]
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        It can be hard to maintain that balance. Sometimes, we've got to dig into the smallest details in order to reveal the big picture. But it's hard to not end up on crazy trails off the beaten path that will lead nowhere. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] King Nis085 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SociallyPsyco Yeah, I figured. But I'll be looking this thread over again as soon as we get some new info on the game. These speculation threads are what keep me from going insane during the time between games. Very enjoyable. Anyways, time will tell.[/quote] Enjoyable indeed, SociallyPsyco. But, they always make me over think. Over analyze everything and go through pages and pages of information for multiple sources. It gives me a headache. ~_~ As you said, only time will tell.[/quote] [Edited on 08.29.2011 10:20 PM PDT]
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      • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SociallyPsyco Yeah, I figured. But I'll be looking this thread over again as soon as we get some new info on the game. These speculation threads are what keep me from going insane during the time between games. Very enjoyable. Anyways, time will tell.[/quote] Enjoyable indeed, SociallyPsyco. But, they always make me over think. Over analyze everything and go through pages and pages of information for multiple sources. It gives me a headache. ~_~ As you said, only time will tell.
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      • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 That's really hard to do right now. What we could [i]try[/i] to link it to is the new trademarks (Seven Seraphs, Destiny, Dead Orbit, Osirus). But I haven't gotten too far with that. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SociallyPsyco Anyway we can connect this to the new info (well, what we think is info) from their latest vidoc for their new game? (i.e. windmills, mountains, map editor, etc.)[/quote][/quote] Yeah, I figured. But I'll be looking this thread over again as soon as we get some new info on the game. These speculation threads are what keep me from going insane during the time between games. Very enjoyable. Anyways, time will tell.
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        Oh, I know very well how confusing the Old Testament can get (I'm one of those bible nerds). I've got some good resources to start looking. Thanks! [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VisibleForce You would definiely need more than a Bible to make sense of it. I took a class and barely understood it. If you are gonna go web surfing, useful keywords would be "Old Testament timelines" or "Old Kingdom" and "New Kingdom" (monarchy and kingdom can be swapped). Don't go too far it was pretty complicated haha.[/quote]
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      • You would definiely need more than a Bible to make sense of it. I took a class and barely understood it. If you are gonna go web surfing, useful keywords would be "Old Testament timelines" or "Old Kingdom" and "New Kingdom" (monarchy and kingdom can be swapped). Don't go too far it was pretty complicated haha.
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        I have my bible next to me, actually. I'll have to start digging through the old testament again. It would make sense for it to be a biblical reference, since we've got the Seraphs in there already. Thanks! [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VisibleForce Hey um I was looking at your [url=http://www.bungie.net/forums/posts.aspx?postID=56466577&postRepeater1-p=1]other thread[/url] but it won't let me post for some reason on that one. You say that you do not know what New Monarchy could mean. In the Bible, (and I wish I could remember the details) but I'm pretty sure the reign of King Josiah began the "New Monarchy". It strikingly reminds me of Old Testament stuff. Plus Seraphs are angels, correct? Yeah there is definitely a hymn with Seraph in it haha.[/quote]
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      • Hey um I was looking at your [url=http://www.bungie.net/forums/posts.aspx?postID=56466577&postRepeater1-p=1]other thread[/url] but it won't let me post for some reason on that one. You say that you do not know what New Monarchy could mean. In the Bible, (and I wish I could remember the details) but I'm pretty sure the reign of King Josiah began the "New Monarchy". It strikingly reminds me of Old Testament stuff. Plus Seraphs are angels, correct? Yeah there is definitely a hymn with Seraph in it haha.
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        That's really hard to do right now. What we could [i]try[/i] to link it to is the new trademarks (Seven Seraphs, Destiny, Dead Orbit, Osirus). But I haven't gotten too far with that. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SociallyPsyco Anyway we can connect this to the new info (well, what we think is info) from their latest vidoc for their new game? (i.e. windmills, mountains, map editor, etc.)[/quote]
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      • My mind was swept but its something very good to look at now we must wait and see now what bungie has to come up with.
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      • Anyway we can connect this to the new info (well, what we think is info) from their latest vidoc for their new game? (i.e. windmills, mountains, map editor, etc.)
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      • Just posting to say that this was an awesome thread, and that I think it's going to hold true when Bungie reveals their new game series. Great job OP.
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      • i love the battleroids from marathon
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      • I was browsing Unfiction (ARG/viral marketing forum where a lot of I Love Bees discussion went down) and found [URL=http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32738]this thread[/URL] about a weird YouTube video with codes and stuff. Checked out the video and it had the Destiny logo and the uploader was 'Joyeuse.' Made me lol and think of this thread. Whoever made it had the same idea as the OP I guess.
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      • *mind blown*
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        Well, that's where this can get complicated. If the mythological swords and the AIs are to parallel, characters in both universes (European mythology and the IP universe) need to exist. Ugh. I'll come back to you with a good example after I grab some coffee. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] R Rod [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] cortana 5 But would that make Halsey, Charlemagne? I, personally, try to keep this theory within the core trilogy games, and out of the books for the most part. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Lantus Nova I think Joyeuse is Deja, she's locked up in Reach, right? And she "knighted" Chief, I guess not really, but still.[/quote][/quote] It seems like all the names of the swords are almost exactly the same names as the AIs, so I don't think it's Deja. I think Aerospace will show us more when it's revealed.[/quote]
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