Grenade hit detection (like melee hit detection) is totally fu[b][/b]cked. I had hunter grenades only doing 2 damage on a direct hit. Firebolts not causing DoT, even with touch of flame active. Titan fusion grenades hitting opponents directly, and bouncing off. None of it works right.

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Yeah they both need rebuffs

It happens with or without nothing manacles.

I have noticed this as well with my axions doing 2 damage when I hear them going off. I was playing skirmish and messing around with my axions and damaged this hunter to almost no shield then I threw my axion bolt to finish him off like they usually do except my axion bolt went off and took him to half red WTF?

my axion are not working despite not using the manacles it seems

They work alright, but not the way they used to. Just gotta use a little practice with them. Besides, those gloves are for the scatter nades, not axions.

I have used the manacles since they have been out.. Main reason i get two nades.. But the tracking is a little less then House of wolves but scatters are still the most powerful nade void walker has.. I suggest you run Annihilation and bloom to help the nade effect.. Works like a charm for pve.. Pvp is all about preference.

Nothing manacles got nerfed when they weren't even close to a problem. That's what Bungie does. Makes something great, sees it working, nerfs it

Axion bolts are perfectly fine, they are amazing for both zoning and control: it's especially effective with the bloom perk. I got a triple with it in Trials. Nothing Manacles, they need a buff. Not like skip grenades, but a small buff. I feel they are viable, but there a far better exotics.

I agree that the grenades bouncing is annoying as heck, and personally feel that the axion bolts should track more aggressively. But... Excuse me for a quick rant. [spoiler]There is definitely [i]not[/i] "no reason" to use Voidwalker. I freaking [i]love[/i] the Voidwalker subclass. I used to main a hunter and titan, but when I started using Voidwalker, I was instantly sold. There isn't anything weak about the subclass. Hunters, none of the supers feel "super." Don't believe me? when was the last time you heard a golden gun and thought "oh crap, run" instead of "squash this punk"? Bladedancer, everyone pulls out a shotgun. Nightstalker... Unless you were hit with the arrow, just... Just shoot them... (Though, I am very familiar with how great the Nightstalker is in PvE. I still main one. That's not my point though.) As for Titans, all of their nuetral games (except Striker) is bland. Sunbreakers' super got nerfed to heck. The bubble is certainly useful, but isn't that fun except for a couple of strikes (where you place you bubble at the boss's feet) and mayhem crucible. Stormcallers are pieces of cake to kill in Stormtrance. Sunsingers have an "OP" nuetral game to compensate for the fact that their super is literally Nuetral Game Plus -- not that you can even use it most of the time because your team will yell at you for popping it before it's a last resort. But [i]Voidwalkers[/i]? Scatter grenades can melt people with the right placement. Axion bolts punish players for staying close together. Blink's a thing. Life Steal's a thing. And the super? All people can think when a Voidwalker pops their super is "OH SH-" and they're dead. I get that it isn't as strong as it used to be, with all of their exotics being nerfed, but it's still a [i]freaking amazing[/i] subclass. Space magic [i]PEW![/i][/spoiler]

The one and done super is pretty good for my play style. I use nothing manacles for the extra scatter and if they get stuck in it, it is a kill guaranteed because of the tracking

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