My personal experience with Destiny taught me to never pre-order ANYTHING. AS much as I was looking forward to The Division, I've decided to let it drop, give it a few weeks, and see what kind of PvE experience I can expect. Destiny promised a lot of things, but many of them simply never materialized. While I give Destiny credit for some wonderful gameplay and design, it's still the most disappointed I've been in a game for a long time. They'll have to work ten times as hard for my money if they ever expect to make a sale on Destiny 2, and even if they do, it won't be until I see what the finished product and engame looks like.