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Edited by JesseJ137: 12/5/2015 7:34:54 AM
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VoG I think I found the first trigger. VoG secret confirmed?

I've been working on this one for a while now and I think I've tested it enough to finally confirm it. So remember the first phase of the VoG when you need to defend the sync plates? And after you complete it there's that little song that plays as the spire beam is opening the door? Well there are three different songs that can play there and I figured out what triggers each one. The first song will always play regardless of how you open the door as long as you are playing on normal difficulty. Here is a video of me playing through the sync plate phase on normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yH_tgOWqE The song is at 2:09. The second song will play on hard difficulty if you lose a sync plate during the phase. You'll know you've lost a plate when the message pops up saying, “The Vex are taking control of a Sync Plate”. Here is a video of me completing the phase this way, triggering the second completion song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY6tiigVF84 The song is at 4:48. It’s kinda hard to hear over the shotgun but I included some links to cleaner videos of each song at the end. The third and final song, the one that I believe is the “correct” song to play, will only play on hard difficulty if you complete the entire phase without losing a single sync plate. Here are a couple of videos of me triggering this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGuMuVVoesc The song is at 3:21. I tested each song multiple times to make sure that that's what triggers each one and that they aren't just RNG. I don't know about you guys but this pretty much confirms for me that there is still some sort of secret left in the Vault of Glass. I would guess that the next trigger is somewhere in the Templar room since another song plays when you kill the Templar but I have no idea how to get it to change or if that's even what will change if that part of the raid is done correctly. The Templar song is the same whether he is killed on normal, hard, or with no teleports on either difficulty so maybe there is something that needs to be done during the conflux or oracle phases, or maybe there's a Templar trigger besides no teleports. Also, as a side note, one of the Cryptarch’s pieces of idle dialogue says, “Now what use would creatures like that have for music? No... It's language. Code, signal!”, so maybe the songs have some deeper meaning if we translate them somehow? Anyways this will hopefully get us on the right track and get more people interested in finding the secret. I think everyone should keep in mind when searching for secrets in the Vault that they might not find anything if they haven't done everything right up to that point. For reference here are videos containing just the songs. Normal mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s-OVbGEcsE Hard mode, plates lost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01TcirattH4 Hard mode, plates kept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w4DO34sI0s TL;DR: Doing the spire phase of VoG without losing any sync plates makes a different victory song play. Thoughts, theories, questions? Edit: I think I may have uploaded the wrong video for one of hard mode success songs. I'll check when I get home and upload the correct video. Edit 2: Yeah I definitely uploaded the wrong video for Hard mode plates kept. The video I uploaded is one of the normal mode videos I have so I'll change that as soon as I can. The Hard mode plates kept video that show the whole run is the right video however so if you want to hear the song and I haven't changed it yet just watch that one. Also I'll see if I have a cleaner video of the Hard mode plates lost song that doesn't have gunfire over it. Edit 3: Ok all the links should be to the right videos now. I fixed the hard mode, plates kept video and put in a different hard mode, plates lost video because the one I had was hard to hear. Edit 4: Wow this got a lot more attention than I thought it would. It seems like reddit is pretty interested in this kind of thing but usually my Vault posts only get a couple comments on the forums. Anyway thanks!

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  • Just another reason why The Vault of Glass is one of the most amazing gameplay experiences I've ever had, in my opinion.

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    • well, we have already determined the oracles play a certain melody when killed in the correct order. this is new, completely new. the new mode sounds like a typical "mysterious/epic" theme, the hardmode seems like one of those music themes that would play when you are fighting the second form of a boss. the third one, however, is longer than the other two. about twice as long. perhaps that unlocks something that must be done during Templar, like killing the oracles in the right order. that might open a hidden door in the gorgons labyrinth, or maybe something in Atheons chamber. interesting . . .

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    • Well even if there is nothing, VoG is still the best raid. I'm 319 and I hate the new raid. "Hey everybody, high impact snipers only! Shoot the boss's huge, immobile crit spot and that's it! How well can you shoot something that doesn't move?"

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      • Based on your evidence I would simply conclude that the victory tune that plays is simply representative of your efforts. Nothing special for normal as it's the "beginner" difficulty and most people probably lost control of a sync plate at some point during their first time(s). With hard mode you get basic victory tune for completion and a more upbeat victory tune for flawless completion. I'd bet my house Marty was responsible. As for your idea about it possibly triggering some sort of unknown secret in the Vault of Glass? Well the idea has _some_ merit. Bungie has included audio cues in Easter Eggs before and that kind of thing was really up Marty's alley. Who could forget the complicated audio sequence that almost required at least some sort of musical background with the IWHBYD skull in Halo 3? Although honestly I think the Vault of Glass is done and finished. Thanks to your efforts I'll always be pushing my rag tag Raid groups to complete hard mode flawlessly :)

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      • Oke

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      • Nice find bro. Ignore the haters. I have no idea what it means but Audio is a key component during that raid. I'd be curious to know if notes from those different songs match the notes the oracles make. Maybe matching them up in one run?

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      • I think that finding out what happened to preadyth was the last thing to do in the vault. Now all you have to do is calculate how much time you wasted on finding out nothing and you'll be good to go.

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        • Take another bong rip buddy.

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          • Time piece is the key!

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          • Edited by Barrierr-: 12/4/2015 4:24:17 PM
            Bungie has lost all of their creativity they once had (see Sleeper Simulant). There's nothing in the Vault. Give it up. This is Bungie now http://youtu.be/dVbzQ6QoleA

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          • No sync plate loss, no deaths, no teleport from Templar, no loss of the orics. (At temp or Atheon, no being seen by any gorgons is how you get all the songs to play. But nothing happens, it's been done many times when people wanted to find the "6th" chest. It's Bungvision; not the old Bungie. There are no true hardcore mysteries anymore. Maybe when vex dlc comes out that'll change, but until then you've just wasted time sadly.

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            • maybe include a completely flawless run? like killing every single oracle on time without anybody getting marked? AND no teleports?

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            • Probably leftover cut content. Sorry

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            • Seek help. Safe to say, you'll solve this before you get laid.

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              • Given how sloppy other parts of this game have been implemented, such as timetabled exotics "sleeper theory" I find this road of thought wishful of bungie/Activision having the ability to think of puzzles this in depth to fuel our minds, most have left, and so should we...

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                • Your theory may align with this one in some way.

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                  • Like anyone still has time for this nonsense

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                  • Keep it up. There's probably some other sleeper simulant secrets too! SMH

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                  • I've been out of the loop for a while, what's this about?

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                  • I feel like they're just hinting at Mercury in the next dlc, I heard a vanguard say something about the vex being back and getting scouts on Mercury.

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                  • ANYONE want to do vog raid gt smackyy xb1 very bored

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                  • As I said for the same post on Reddit, I don't follow the "there's different songs so there's more secrets to find" logic. It could be that that's it. It's just a different song depending on how you beat the encounter and there's nothing more to it.

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                    • What a flashback. I haven't heard any of these theories since taken king dropped and it became pretty much assumed in the raidsecrets community that no time to explain was the missing secret in vog.

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                    • Way to copy-paste from reddit :D BRAVO! At least source the info you got. Unless you are the reddit user, this is plagiarism and illegal D: Oh no! edit in a source...PLEASE!

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                    • Edited by Rynoceros: 12/4/2015 10:13:43 PM
                      Step 2: Kill the Oracles when they first "show" their locations. ??? Gorgon's Labyrinth: on Normal, how many Gorgons are on the map when we enter? Would it be possible to wipe all of the existing Gorgons at once?

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                      • I absolutely refuse to believe this is coincidence. If its not already a secret, it will be.

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