I've been working on this one for a while now and I think I've tested it enough to finally confirm it. So remember the first phase of the VoG when you need to defend the sync plates? And after you complete it there's that little song that plays as the spire beam is opening the door? Well there are three different songs that can play there and I figured out what triggers each one.
The first song will always play regardless of how you open the door as long as you are playing on normal difficulty. Here is a video of me playing through the sync plate phase on normal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3yH_tgOWqE
The song is at 2:09.
The second song will play on hard difficulty if you lose a sync plate during the phase. You'll know you've lost a plate when the message pops up saying, “The Vex are taking control of a Sync Plate”. Here is a video of me completing the phase this way, triggering the second completion song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY6tiigVF84
The song is at 4:48. It’s kinda hard to hear over the shotgun but I included some links to cleaner videos of each song at the end.
The third and final song, the one that I believe is the “correct” song to play, will only play on hard difficulty if you complete the entire phase without losing a single sync plate. Here are a couple of videos of me triggering this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGuMuVVoesc
The song is at 3:21.
I tested each song multiple times to make sure that that's what triggers each one and that they aren't just RNG. I don't know about you guys but this pretty much confirms for me that there is still some sort of secret left in the Vault of Glass.
I would guess that the next trigger is somewhere in the Templar room since another song plays when you kill the Templar but I have no idea how to get it to change or if that's even what will change if that part of the raid is done correctly. The Templar song is the same whether he is killed on normal, hard, or with no teleports on either difficulty so maybe there is something that needs to be done during the conflux or oracle phases, or maybe there's a Templar trigger besides no teleports.
Also, as a side note, one of the Cryptarch’s pieces of idle dialogue says, “Now what use would creatures like that have for music? No... It's language. Code, signal!”, so maybe the songs have some deeper meaning if we translate them somehow? Anyways this will hopefully get us on the right track and get more people interested in finding the secret. I think everyone should keep in mind when searching for secrets in the Vault that they might not find anything if they haven't done everything right up to that point.
For reference here are videos containing just the songs.
Normal mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s-OVbGEcsE
Hard mode, plates lost: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01TcirattH4
Hard mode, plates kept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w4DO34sI0s
TL;DR: Doing the spire phase of VoG without losing any sync plates makes a different victory song play.
Thoughts, theories, questions?
Edit: I think I may have uploaded the wrong video for one of hard mode success songs. I'll check when I get home and upload the correct video.
Edit 2: Yeah I definitely uploaded the wrong video for Hard mode plates kept. The video I uploaded is one of the normal mode videos I have so I'll change that as soon as I can. The Hard mode plates kept video that show the whole run is the right video however so if you want to hear the song and I haven't changed it yet just watch that one. Also I'll see if I have a cleaner video of the Hard mode plates lost song that doesn't have gunfire over it.
Edit 3: Ok all the links should be to the right videos now. I fixed the hard mode, plates kept video and put in a different hard mode, plates lost video because the one I had was hard to hear.
Edit 4: Wow this got a lot more attention than I thought it would. It seems like reddit is pretty interested in this kind of thing but usually my Vault posts only get a couple comments on the forums. Anyway thanks!
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That's really interesting. With the Templar I've heard rumors like if you can stop him from teleporting that's supposed to do something... I've also heard things like if none of you die and then go down the jump maze a chest appears at the portal...but doesn't give you anything good.
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Very interesting..
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I'm Ron Burgandy?
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They don't sound like songs to me lol
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I don't want to say your a mad scientist...but you may be on to something here...but I can't help but think in 5 years you'll be in a insane asylum rocking back and forth saying "the plates...the plates..."
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Sorry to say this but there is nothing there. Bungie would have announced if VoG still had secrets. Yeah it sucks to think that VoG had so much potential but it's all bungies fault. They could still fix it by adding stuff to it but you know Bungie, they're the laziest people ever.
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Maybe if you do the conflux/ oracles without wiping in hardmode and prevent all the teleports in the templar it should play a different song
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[quote] I don't know about you guys but this pretty much confirms for me that there is still some sort of secret left in the Vault of Glass.[/quote] I wish I had a face palm emote right now! Dear lord why? First off tis song has been known about for a year now. Everyone, including the first teams to do VoG tried the "Don't loose sync plates" method, then searched the entire area including the gate lord area and found exactly nothing! Teams have done this going flawless and found nothing. The designer of VoG admitted VoG was NEVER complete. He then tried to hint that people were wasting their time and yet still we have threads where people come out of the woodwork declaring there is something else to find.
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I think you've overestimated bungie. They are a lazy company and wouldn't bother adding this stuff unless they could sell it for extra money!
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Great findings but I doubt bungie actually have a meaning behind this one.
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How whelming
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I believe it's just purely cosmetic. Just a novelty Bungie put in to add to the intensity of both the normal and hardmode versions of the raid. But that's just speculation obviously, good find. Keep looking into it I'm sure you'll find something sooner than later.
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I don't want to be Debbie Downer but it could just be a neat little extra that they threw in, just another possibility to look at. All in all, this is a neat find, maybe it will lead to a little extra stuff.
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there are still those blocked off caves, when you take alternative path to templar, near first ghost on daily.
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There's no secret loot. Just like how the sleeper simulant wasn't a mystery.
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Isn't well overdue for bungie or deej to drop a hint over this topic? Not like it'll ruin anything And it'd encourage people to play at a time when people are leaving?
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I love that people are still doing this, but the fact that bungee has released so much stake content leaves me to think that there is nothing at all, but I'll eat my words when someone does find aomthing
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It's [i]amazing[/i] to see you still working on this, man. I've always talked about you as "The Vault Guy" when mentioning you to others I've played with. Keep digging, my friend- if anyone has the determination to find something hidden, it's you. Also, nice to see my lovely self present in that second video there. Those were the days, all of us together giving those Vex hell. Hope you're doing well and hopefully we can have a Fire Breathing Cobras reunion sometime soon. I'm sure Atheon and Crota are bored without us killing them repeatedly.
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Equip spin metal hats!
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You're giving bungie too much credit
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If there really is a secret, I will be more than happy to help uncover it. Who knows what we may find!
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This just in! VoG secrets are now presented through the new Taken King mission [i][b]Paradox[/b][/i]. You will be put on a quest and travel through VoG to complete a quest for an exotic weapon!
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Would be epic if something has been hidden this long. Seems like there could be something
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Hidden challenge modes? Or an abandoned challenge mode
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Theres a way to solo the plates flawlessly by going over to campus 9 and waiting. Not sure if this counts, but it's how I like to get into the VoG when I'm alone.
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Just another reason why The Vault of Glass is one of the most amazing gameplay experiences I've ever had, in my opinion.