Bump! A very well thought out post. I will not recommend this game to anyone I know. I use to love this game, I've played since beta but bungie has shit on this community over and over again and won't stop. There is so many ways they could improve the game as it stands now but they won't because they don't listen to the community. They read (maybe) a few nerf requests posts and so that's what we get. Instead of fixing the real problems like the loot system, they nerf it so we have to play longer which is artificially inflating their numbers. I'm waiting for Black Friday to see if fallout 4 goes on sale and getting it. Hell even if it doesn't go on sale, I'm getting it. 1000 times the content destiny has and it's made by a developer that actual cares about its product and the community that plays it.

So true, Bungie just keeps hanging themselves with that rope and loose more players every day. Sadly I've got others to play Destiny but will never do so again the way Bungie screws over their customers. I've learned my lesson.

I normally steer clear of "hate" posts, but this was pleasantly surprising. Well said and well thought out. As an Alpha player (for which there isn't even an emblem for as far as I know), I really wish there were something to show some sort of appreciation. A shader or an emblem here and there just to say "thanks guys, we wouldn't be here without you."

I agree 100%. Destiny is a scam these days

It still baffles me how Bungie went from being one of the most beloved developers ever to Bungievision. Their reputation is ruined, but they just don't care.

Agree with you mate. That's the reason I am starting to avoid Destiny. The Taken King DLC is boring. Spent more then I wanted to get some new weapons and Gear. All 3 DLC sucked. I now play Halo 5. War zone is amazing also 343 have promised more free DLCs.

Wait a second.. Are you on xbox one?? I have someone on my friends list named syronck i did VoG with him. Always plays with the same few guys. Been playing halo the last few times ive seen him. Is that you??

A well thought out post for sure. Normally I don't dive down these sorts of posts as they speak for themselves and resonate highly with people, but I'll make some thoughts known... [quote]You took away the loot cave, the one thing the community created.[/quote] Never bothered with the loot cave. This game, Destiny, is one of my countless game history in MMO's and FPS. That cave? Taught people to not get used to game mechanics which would have served them faithfully and I contribute that cave (all three to be exact) to the lack of reflexes needed when #Forever29 was going around. A game is meant to have its mechanics learned so your reflexes for endgame content is sufficient to learn quickly on the fly. I have yet to meet a Destiny player who does MMO raids regularly in other games or understand why Trials is so competitive and based on line of sight opportunities with adequate kill time guns and teamwork. Those who get to the lighthouse by being carried? They deserve to get there because people don't want to learn those mechanics. The basic ramifications I've ever found is in the player. In Star Wars, Rift, Warhammer and Warhammer 40k, WoW, ect.. It's fine you THINK that cave was created by the community and your experience was lessened because of that. It was a bug and your experience was not. It gave you rewards which is fine, but the sacrifice of that only means you lose the capabilities you could have had by simply patrolling and getting used to the high level enemies for the raids and/or multiplayer. *shrugs* It's whatever experience you choose, but do not make the time accurate mistake of saying you didn't crutch yourself. You did with every bullet you let fly. [quote]You gave us the raid, gave us the hardest gun to achieve and brought it to it's knees just as quick.[/quote] When WoC first came out in comparison to fatebringer... I didn't have it. It took me a while to get it to drop, but when I did? [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/107429641/0/0]I made this post.[/url] Again, I've had far too much experience not to overlook a gun others dislike and say, "I can make that gun work where others can't." That's my competitive edge. And when I made WoC work better then Fatebringer? Realizing that those who liked Fatebringer were used to killing adds who were not in endgame content? I knew the crutch was back. With an expansion DLC. Please note that is not a problem... what is a problem... is how others are asking Bungie to modify guns in ways they find fun and exciting... but I know will not work in Destiny. It's a game built on the same mechanics of other FPS: Guns, grenades, and melee. So no. Fatebringer was NEVER a good gun to have outside of VoG. When CE dropped? WoC was the gun to have for those who ventured into crucible and pulled a 3sk kill shot. Firefly? GREAT perk to have, but good luck closing off the problems which would occur when you came up against a Hive major. Fatebringer then failed miserably and without recourse. Introduce HoW and etheric light. I purposely threw up Fatebringer due to primary anti-fallen captain potential. It served great there, but I also found other problems... namely the range in the Fallen portion of PoE. This? Trying to take down a shielded major? Fatebringer might as well be back in VoG trying to damage minotaurs. I eventually put up WoC and found the same results except it was a void. That hand cannon was not the good gun to have. Vex Mytho was due to the mid range capability on all endgame content. But that was just my experience. I don't care for otherwise stories as I'm only putting down how you are supremely inaccurate in my experience with that statement. [quote]We eventually said the same to auto rifles, but you kept nerfing them until they were trash. [/quote] Again, my competitive edge made me put Suro's up after all the things I saw happening to auto's. I even put up Shadow Price in normal crucible. Never... ever... had a problem killing for 2.0 and 3.0 matches. PvE? I put the enemy movements down in good kill times with the modified perks. Where the problem areas back then was the fusion rifles. The spread made it too narrowed to a shotgun range. Suddenly a charge time competed against no charge time. I think we all know how that went. Fusion rifles are mostly PvE now without a narrowed concussion perk now. [quote]We (Well, not we here, because I had no idea you could do this until after they patched it) used in game mechanics that make enemies back away from grenades to push off raid bosses.[/quote] Bugs like that were fun. I had more fun making him not teleport with a full set of 30's back then though for the chest rewards. Which is what you said. [quote]We then received The Dark Below, the most lackluster DLC for a game I've seen.[/quote] For all the bad talk towards TDB, people complained about PoE not being a raid. Then I saw compliments about how to beat CE. I saw raid groups voluntarily say, "Let's not cheese the bridge" and suddenly the experience meant something. Again: The game is not just about the environments you are in. If you didn't want to challenge yourself? Good on you. Simpler is a lot of times more fun... this is a video game. Make it more competitive with friends and I don't think you'll ever be disappointed when you look back at it. Sucks in the moment? Probably not the right group you were running with. I've laughed in all endgame content with the right group because jokes are more often then not. That is what Destiny is about and if that hasn't happened to you enough times? You need to get a better group. Competitiveness is not just wanting to win or succeed. It's also about making sure you can enjoy the company you are with. [quote]Then we hear about TTK. "Hey, people who haven't played yet! You can get everything that our 'loyal' customers have bought for a grand total of$140[/quote]' First access, first weapon experience, first exposure, and first times clan based activities highlighted participation in the achievements and content. You want to complain about price? Go learn market economics. This is nothing compared to how technology companies operate in Silicon Valley. The tiniest modification to the iPhone? Oh, we need to create a charge for an arm and a leg on the next. Where are we at now? iPhone 6s is $749 for 64GB down to $100 models which are no where near the 6s. Apple stock isn't going down last I checked and as a matter? It's the highest it's ever been. It's not about being right or wrong. The world economics model takes into factor at least 50 other countries economies generated by simply paying for a service the world somehow justifies in those countries. In the U.S.? We have over hundreds of trillions of dollars in other countries capital investments JUST through common wealth services given to other countries... the same is true in France, Germany, Great Britain, Russia, Romania, Switzerland, ect.. It's all tied to the same things: EVERYTHING YOU DO COSTS SOMETHING. EVERRRRYYYYYTTTHHHHHHHIIIIINNNNNGGGGGG. So no. You had premiers NO ONE ELSE was given. We all paid a price. We all got access to content. Go tell that to those who paid for MCC collection and didn't get a multiplayer which didn't crash on them. I really like your opinions on this, but if you think this is bad... perhaps you should stay away from EVE online or monthly subscription games...