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Edited by Syronck: 11/25/2015 8:02:41 AM
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Bungie, You Might've Gone Too Far This Time

In Year 1, we as a player base have put up with a lot. You took away the loot cave, the one thing the community created. Something that created friendships, created rivals, and brought a lot of people on hoping for that one golden egg. You took it away, and we all said "Well I'm angry, but you actually made purples drop purples now. They're rarer than they were, but at least I get good stuff now." You gave us the raid, gave us the hardest gun to achieve and brought it to it's knees just as quick. We all said "Yeah, a 50 mag size and higher time to kill than even auto rifles was a bit overboard. It was a super hard gun to get, but it does need toned down" We eventually said the same to auto rifles, but you kept nerfing them until they were trash. Weapons have unfortunately always been this way, but we've rolled with it because diversity. Except the hand cannon meta for 6 months. That was utter crap, and you know it. Shotguns are going the way of the auto rifle right now, and it's quite sad. We (Well, not we here, because I had no idea you could do this until after they patched it) used in game mechanics that make enemies back away from grenades to push off raid bosses. We said "That's fair, it was cheap and made the whole thing not seem as worth it". We then received The Dark Below, the most lackluster DLC for a game I've seen. We all said "Well it's out fault for buying the season pass. We should have waited". Then House of Wolves came out. We had no raid, the Prison of Elders and Trials of Osiris broke apart our teams we'd formed bonds with because we needed the best members because it was limited to 3 people. We said "I'm bitter about it, but they never promised a raid, so I guess it's fine" Then we hear about TTK. "Hey, people who haven't played yet! You can get everything that our 'loyal' customers have bought for a grand total of$140, for just $60 (Because our game had so many hostile reactions that the market value plummeted far more than any other game in a year)! We'll even give you exclusive rewards that those already playing can't get, they'd have to buy everything all over again to do so" We said "That's not fair Bungie. We deserve to get these things too for playing for so long!" And Bungie was like "We done goofed, 'loyal' customers, so here, for a simple $20, you can get some exotics, emotes, and shaders that you'll probably vault anyway." We became divided on this stance of paying for cosmetics that still permeates today. The majority however, whether reluctant or gung-ho, accepted it, and it stayed in. Then you decide to charge more money for stuff, even making the two things everyone wanted expensive enough people would have to spend extra money for them. We cried wolf, but were silenced by those saying "It's cosmetic. It isn't hurting the game, you don't have to get it, and it's not moving past cosmetics" Again, the majority has accepted it, maybe even spent some money, and moved on. And now, you do refer a friend. The majority of us have already gotten our friends to get this game long ago. We have formed out groups, and don't need more people in because we already have more than 6 we talk with on a regular basis. You make it so we can't get this stuff without paying for a second account to have PSN/Gold so we can get this stuff. But wait! For three easy payments of $49.95, they can be yours today! I assume this is what will happen within a few weeks. I had actually planned to make this comical using that part, but this just seemed like such a huge scam for more money I couldn't bring myself to do it. Bungie, you're treading on thin ice here with many people. Think wisely about how you want to play this out. And for the love of God, don't let Luke Smith or Deej say anything about this stuff. Both have been bad PR for a bit now, and you can't afford too much more. I don't want to quit this game, Bungie, but you're making it very hard to want to keep going with this middle finger you keep giving to existing players and free candy to the new ones. Eventually, you will run out of new players and by then the old ones will have probably left and won't be coming back. TLDR; Don't comment if you didn't read the whole thing. Edit: Holy butternuts, I've never had this many replies or upvotes before. I haven't had a chance to read/reply to everyone, and doubt I will, but for those who commented, good or bad, thank you for your input. Edit 2: Broke 1000 replies. Thank you all, both those who agree and those who don't. It's good to have the differing opinions, that's what makes us unique. I've been on a plane all day with no internet, so I haven't gotten to read everything from people, but I will try to go through and read all the posts, maybe make a comment or two.
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  • Entitled little brat. You act as if someone is forcing you to play destiny. [quote]we as a player base have put up with a lot[/quote] You should be paying for fun. You shouldn't have to be "putting up with" anything. When I feel that I am putting up with things and not having fun with the game, I move on to something else. Nobody is forcing you to play destiny. If you don't like it, play something you will actually enjoy.

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    • You all complain too much. Do you guys ever think you're being a bit harsh? Wait. Probably not right? Because no one in the destiny community has intelligence or a heart. [spoiler]I'm mostly talking about male players. Have never seen a female player complain about something in destiny before[/spoiler]

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      • Preach.

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      • Well said

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      • Meh moved on a few weeks ago to arkham knight, halo 5, fallout 4, mk x.... Play other games and come back for the next dlc the endgame ain't worth it atm. Just game on peeps

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        • Great writeup and I agree with you...Here is a little hypothetical conversation I wrote a while back...enjoy.. [quote]Deej says...why don't we make them run the levels backwards...desticles won't know the difference. Bungie then replies. we tried that on dark below but they figured us out. Hmm what should we do Deej then says: how about we release a new DLC, take away all their guns from year 1 so so they have to grind more. This should keep those little money bags busy. Bungie says: brilliant! We can even sell them the same armor and guns they already had but they have to level them up again wasting all their hard earned coins and motes. They won't even notice they paid full game price for a few cheap levels.. Then Deej puts his pinky to his lips and loudly whispers "one billion dollars" Bungie then says "I love the ideas Deej, but there already getting bored and its only been a month after TTK, how do we keep them coming? Deej replies: lets reduce the amount of weapons parts, coins and motes they get, then they will have to play even more to get max level guns. Bungie then says: again brilliant Deej. What will the community say about this though. Deej replies: who cares, they will continue to throw money at the screen so much they won't even be able to tell that our new enemy's are reskinned. An then laughs like Mr Burns. Bungie says: Deej, you have again outdone yourself. I think now it may take 3 months for them to get bored instead of 1. Deej says: but that's not all, we also are going to withhold half of the TTK weapons and armor too. This will have them blogging on redit and running wild goose chase trying to find content that isn't available. Bungie says: you mean the sleeper simulant? I love it, but how will we activate it without setting off the community. Deej says: the community is filled with idiots who would buy anything. I beg they would even pay real cash for dance moves. Bungie says: then selling dance moves it is. But how do we let them open content they already paid for. Deej says: we will tell them its free DLC packs they are getting, and we can let them think we are generous. Bungie says: wow Deej, you really know how to pull the wool over the sheep's eyes. How did you figure all this out. Deej says: thanks, but I'm not really brilliant. I'm just great at over hyping things, ya know like polishing a turd. Bungie says: wow Deej, so do you think they noticed that the first 2 DLCs were only 1 mb each? Deej says: well do you think a crack head realizes that his crack is not pure. It's all deception and feeding the addiction. They will continue to shower is with dollars and probably didn't even notice Bungie now says: well Deej, you have outdone yourself. Lets start showering yahoo news 4x a day with these announcements./quote]

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          • Last time I played was around the Festival of the Lost, I don't have time in my life to play long and arduous questifications, but had fun with the Festival. Took a couple of selfies with Rahool as twin blockheads, had tea with Eris and listened to her babbling (My whole life is the Festival of the Lost... lol). They should do more fun stuff like that. I find Destiny more entertaining if you don't follow the rules or paths you're supposed to follow, and don't take it so seriously. Really don't care if I have matching helmet and butt flaps ;) Still best weapon handling than any other game, I enjoy it in small doses.

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          • [quote]You took away the loot cave[/quote] Stopped reading when I saw this....obviously OP is a inept idiot.

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            • It's funny that people are actually trying to defend bungie...

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              • IT'S A SHAME BUNGIE!! I'M HERE FROM THE BETA ON XBOX ONE AND THIS IT'S REALLY A -blam!-ING SHAME!!

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              • +1 I agree

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              • I have played Bungie games for almost 20 years, and never have I been THIS disappointed. The only thing I play for now is crucible with buddies. The last place where all my favorite stuff is viable.... And even now I hardly play..

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              • Edited by Antithesis: 11/24/2015 1:44:12 PM
                You left over many things we had to put up with. - proof of cutting already made content and keeping it for future dlc. - endless and surprisingly shitty new crafting systems for new/old legendaries/exotics and how to upgrade them. - no microphone or any way of communicating with other players (amateur mistake) - no lfg/lfm system (amateur mistake, oh wait, we still don't have this and have to go to our computers to find a group) - no ingame story or lore whatsoever, again, we have to go to our computers and go to their website to understand wtf we're doing. - no progression whatsoever in pvp, no rankings no pvp ratings no seasons, nothing. - matchmaking has always taken forever. - servers have always been complete shit, and the best part? when you get kicked you're asked to check YOUR connection. - buggy atheon and crota. - every single fun thing to do in crucible is either timed to a weekend a month or worse. - we spent money on new expansions only for everything we worked for to become completely irrelevant on the next quarter with no compensation whatsoever. and we still do. - getting our exotics reset with less than a week's notice, just to embrace yet another shitty crafting system. - im 100% im missing some, feel free to add. they dont give a -blam!- about existing players as long as new people keep buying their game.

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                • If people already accepted all of questionable decisions that Bungie made before, what makes you think they'll change now?

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                • If your on xbox one share your gold then make new profile i know it means to do everything again but if you really want the sword thats one fix

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                • I haven't stepped foot in destiny for quite some time now. The taken King was great at first but when I realized just how much they took away from us and how little they made available to replace what they took. That was it for me. A quick example is Lord of Wolves. I loved that exotic but I only had it maybe a month and half before it was made useless, all exotics should have been brought forward, end of story. Now, the icing on the quit cake was seeing them roll out old exotics as if they were new content. That was a new low.

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                  • I really wish now that destiny never existed. It ruined the gaming industry with cut content. Now other companies are following this. *cough cough* battlefront deluxe edition. Halo 5 has the req system which made millions within a week. Eventually when you rank up high, it becomes pay to win. Higher rank: less packages. Now companies will see that and follow. COD AW had supply drop stuff. Eventually every game in the gaming industry will be one of the following: 1. Very low content game with dlc cut from main game. 2. Pay to win 3. A literal direct rob of a high priced game with so little content and little dlc. I love and still play destiny (well a lot less now since halo 5) but these business practices that companies make just makes games worse. I would murder people to go back in the ps2 era, where the goal of making a game is stuff as much as you can. I also wish dlc never existed also... We don't need to hate on games, we need to criticize like Socrates.

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                    • I hate your valid points! (Upvoted)

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                    • Bump. What they're doing is disgusting. Year 1 was the greatest gaming experience I've ever had, but they've made it very clear we are nothing but dollar signs. [spoiler]I know that companies rarely actually care about anything other than making money. Bungievision (whoever is responsible) is just one of the only ones stupid enough to make it so abundantly clear. [/spoiler]

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                    • Totally agree with everything, and this is just a fraction of the screw-ups. I have been playing since launch and have invested an enormous amount of time in this game, but I can finally say I'm truly done with it today. I haven't played for 4 or 5 days and I don't even miss it. I'm actually relieved to not feel obligated to play everyday. Most of the people I played this game with for over a year have started playing other games, and I finally realized what a hollow shell of a game I was dealing with after playing solo or with LFG people for a couple of weeks. The social aspect of this game is what made it so much fun, but most people are losing that now, and will ultimately arrive at the same conclusion I did. They just took the grind too far with this DLC, and every player knows it whether they will admit it or not. There's nothing great to play for this time around on top of that. So really all you have left is unrewarding PVP that doesn't even have dedicated servers. This game is just a life sucking drain worse than almost any real RPG I have ever played. Get out before it's too late people. Most hardcore players like myself probably don't even realize all the things they are neglecting because of this life sucking game. It's just a gambling addiction masked as a game, and they were able to suck in all the FPS players out there too that didn't know any better. Most people probably had no idea what they were getting into when they started playing this. I've never actually been miserable while actively playing a video game but unable to put it down. It gets better though. That new feeling this game possessed like no other has finally worn off and most people are finally seeing it for what it really is. Thank you Bungie for finally screwing up enough to open so many eyes. R.I.P. Destiny.

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                      • About time people smartened up. And the sad thing is that this doesn't even touch on the ever-worsening lag in Crucible, the still rather lackluster plot and lack of in-game lore and the plethora of other problems plaguing what should be the greatest IP in years. My only guess is we're suffering through an overpaid public beta right now and Destiny 2 will hopefully fix a lot of our concerns. It's underhanded and dirty pool on Bungie's part, but if it means we get something even remotely resembling the product initially shown at E3 then it might all be worth it. The alternative is just entirely damning on Bungie's part and grounds for a mass boycott IMO. Seriously, this shit is unacceptable and it baffles me that we still tolerate it.

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                      • Sad part is I have a feeling the majority of Bungie isn't part of this and probably doesn't even support these things(luke smith included). think it comes from the very top, the ones who only see it as a lucrative business. The ones that want to make sure they personally have a million dollar yacht and guaranteeing that their grand children never have to work a day in their life. Now the obvious question is, if majority at Bungie don't approve why don't they push for change? Why would they? Would you? You're working for one of the hottest game developers at the moment, working on a good game and making really good money.

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                        • Didn't read but insulted by the re release of exotics. This game is just recycled crap, again and again.

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                        • Any player who hasn't already quit playing Destiny by now is unlikely to ever do so, no matter what new ways Bungie and Activision come up with to screw and infuriate them. They understand that they don't have to give two shits about what people think as long as those people keep giving them money. I've said this many times before: Continuing to play Destiny and spend money on it will only encourage Bungie and Activision to continue the greedy, anti-consumer practices that you hate. If you're unhappy with Destiny, and want to see it get better, then do the smart thing and stop playing.

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                          • Bungle likes to take it up the ass then dish it's poo packed climax on us all

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                          • You forgot the part where they nerfed hopscotch pilgrim a super rare trophy weapon that people invested days into getting. Not to mention the materials spent on rolling that perfect roll.

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