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Edited by Red Motive:
10/16/2015 2:23:11 AM
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Sunbreaker is not as Over-Powered as you may Think (New Iron Banner Statistics)
[I][b]Disclaimer:[/b] Data is parsed from more than 75,000 games. If you have any enquires about the data collected take it up with the collector whom you may find at the link provided near the bottom of this post. Thank you.[/I]
[b][u]Iron Banner Subclass Charts[/u][/b]
Curious how your Subclass ranks in Iron Banner? Here's a few charts to highlight a few statistics.
[u]Subclass Popularity:[/u]
- Pie Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jAMKZMyjKKSIqkmfbidJfNnff9kc5cURiLl9Z7e9CpU/pubchart?oid=109707480&format=interactive
- Most popular: Sunbreaker at 21.4%.
- Least popular: Defender at 1.60%
- Average popularity by Class: 44.41% for Hunters, 28.2% for Titans and 27.39% for Warlocks
[u]Subclass Average Kill/Death (K/D) Ratio:[/u]
- Bar Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jAMKZMyjKKSIqkmfbidJfNnff9kc5cURiLl9Z7e9CpU/pubchart?oid=1406256444&format=interactive
- Highest K/D Ratio: Gunslinger at 1.0945%
- Lowest K/D Ratio: Striker at 0.9102%
- Average K/D Ratio by Class: 1.0447 for Hunters, 1.0041 Warlocks and 0.984 for Titans
[u]Table:[/u]
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3opxes/iron_banner_subclass_charts_showing_average_kd/cvzco81
[u]Source:[/u]
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3opxes/iron_banner_subclass_charts_showing_average_kd/
[b]Edit:[/b]
I can not get to all of you and I apologise for that. Another thing: before completely ignoring these statistics try and take into account not only the super but the vast majority of the game as well - i.e. time spent without a Super. Because the Sunbreaker Subclass is so heavily focused around Hammer of Sol, it is left with a mediocre neutral game with few options in comparison with others - e.g. Gunslinger. This is what turns the tide and puts Gunslinger at top. That and the fact that Golden Gun is still extremely good. For example unlike Hammer of Sol if Golden Gun is activated in your line of sight your chances of survival are extremely low due to it being extremely difficult to avoid in comparison to Hammer of Sol thanks to the lack of travel time, lack of arc, high aim assist and so on.
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8 RepliesWhat people seem to forget is the class itself is not overpowered only the super. The super needs to be toned down slightly and that's all
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6 RepliesSunbreaker is massively, game breakingly OP. They can spam a OHK with a disgusting area of effect over a too long period of time while basically being invincible. This 'but our grenades aren't that great' bullshit does not balance against that super. It's all gunplay until your super comes up and when their super comes up you are playing at a level far over your natural skill because your subclass is totally -blam!-ing OP. They are going to nerf the shit of you and you compile statistics all day long to try and make it look like there is some fairness or balance with Sunbreakers but it doesn't pass the smell test.
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15 RepliesPeople should stop defending the easiest Super to use that has what seems like the highest armor during the super as well. Killing a Sunbreaker is near impossible as when you shoot at them, they see you, you die. You don't have enough time to burn him down. A Goldun Gun, if you catch him turn 1/4 to the left or right you can easily burn him down before he is able to turn and line you up. It's a joke to defend how strong the Sunbreaker super is.Unless you ARE a Sunbreaker, then you probably don't play the other classes so you don't really know.
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6 RepliesEdited by Kilerdrake: 10/15/2015 6:40:22 PMClose range duration super, potential increased range with a perk. Damage reduction 50%. Ranged super with 3 shots, extra shot with a year 1 exotic. No damage reduction. Close to mid range duration super, potential long range if increased grenade distance perk is on gauntlets. 50% damage reduction, more if radiant skin is used. Close range and mid range( less mid range than other supers), increased range with select perk. 50% damage reduction. Ranged super, can have over shield with damage reduction with the use of a perk( no complain here, sunspots are fine). 55% damage reduction. There is a flaw here. Can you find it?
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Edited by MogoLantern: 10/15/2015 7:18:58 PMHow about wait until iron banner is done before you try pulling out stats. Still has four days left so these status mean nothing.
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I agree sun breaker isn't over powered it's just the idea that a person cold get six or seven kills with a super pisses people off but most of the time u only get two or three
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3 RepliesTitans have 1 good pvp subclass. If it is broken I say fix it so it's balanced. But also buff the other 2 titan classes to make them equal. Striker has like no place in pve or pvp now. And Defender has little to no place in pvp.
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2 RepliesEdited by Wig Digger: 10/15/2015 5:48:32 PMThat poor striker class titans went through a whole year of bad supers the sunbreakers a way of saying sorry about that Edit: FOH one shots a sunbreaker
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I don't see any actual reasoning in these statistics and there are tons of other reasons to explain those numbers. Can you make a constructive argument about sunbreaker compared to other supers?
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5 RepliesYou crucible people are highly entertaining. Please continue. Seriously, every time i come on the forums its crucible people complaining something is OP. They need to make you people just wave your epeens at each other the entire match. Then again anyone who's bigger than you is the next thing you'd want nerfed for your precious "balance" LMAO. Every time i see nerf its because one of you are getting rekt by something. What happened to you guys not wanting nerfs back in the King Suros days? You people are a joke, a highly entertaining highly funny joke. Please continue
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5 RepliesHunter is 1/2 of the pvp community.... But sunbreaker is the most used subclass.... Interesting... Wonder..... Why? :I
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THe hunters have the highest k/d due to being able to not die as much and run away. A lot of people who play hunter are also a lot more reserved.I would like to see the kills per super stats in iron banner because i bet sunbreakers stomps on everything else.
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Nice table! Hopefully the redditt sources are accurate though. Thanks for sharing OP
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Is there a chart of how many super kills in iron banner in relation to players?
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11 RepliesYes, let's judge whether a subclass is OP or not based on the community's KD. Because everyone in the community is good, and totally not a casual. No Land Beyond is OP, but let's go check the KD for that...
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Lmfao was gonna check out these so called "stats" then I seen Google in the link xD
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I think your logic here is a bit flawed [quote]before completely ignoring these statistics try and take into account not only the super but the vast majority of the game as well - i.e. time spent without a Super. Because the Sunbreaker Subclass is so heavily focused around Hammer of Sol, it is left with a mediocre neutral game with few options in comparison with others[/quote] So if Sunbreakers are left with such a mediocre neutral game, then why does it still have the second highest k/d in the game? My guess is because the 97+ kills you're pretty much guaranteed per super balance things out a smidge.
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8 RepliesHAHA I really do not give a damn about any "Stats" Using my own eyes Hammer of Sol is the dominant super in crucible and Iron banner BAR NONE This isnt even up for debate. Ive probabaly been killed by hammer of sol more than all other supers combined in the iron banner
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IDIOTS! The super is OP not the subclass as a whole. These statistics don't prove anything. Alot of Sunbreakers have terrible gunskill and only get kills during their super anyways. The super will be nerfed despite your statistics. Its not fair that a player less skillful than can singlehanded change the tide of an entire match just because he has a super.
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Edited by Rarre28: 10/15/2015 6:35:10 PMthe reason why sun breaker is used so much is because it's new, a great multi kill super and striker is and always has been lackluster compared to other classes. losing armamentarium was a personal nerf to striker for me.
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Stormtrance is love. Lost to HoS twice out of roughly 2 dozen 1v1 encounters with it. Just gotta find a way. Now what is a bit crazy is 2 rockets being blocked by a sword and the target survives with a bit of shield still up. I've done direct hits and right behind. It's a game folks. I don't think you should get so worked up unless your main source of income is playing this.
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2 RepliesRead until you mentioned the most used subclass is one of the subclasses from the least used class. 1/5th of players use a subclass that only 1/4 of players have access to. Ritio... not a meta at all or anything.
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12 RepliesEdited by Diab3ticBatman: 10/15/2015 6:59:16 PMActually there are more hunters than Titans, so the whole stat thing will always be flawed. If they pulled from say all the Titans vs half or whatever from hunters, then yeah. And if you actually half the hunters so that there was the same amount of Titans, the stats would reflect that and be different. Now quit posting this so people stop arguing. Let bungie nerf stuff like they always do by looking at THEIR statistics, not some random players idea of them. It's a waste of time debating it, no matter what side you are on. Look at all the people who wanted black spindle to stay at 310, but did bungie listen? No. Was there one thread of someone being happy about it or arguing that it needed to happen? No. It's a moot point.
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8 RepliesWhat credibility does this have? Literally anyone could make a chart and twist the numbers to favor themselves. This means nothing.
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51 RepliesEdited by Peligrad: 10/15/2015 6:31:30 PMSupers are not equally beneficial on every game format. On formats where the majority of the points are scored within a small timeframe, hammer of sol/sunbreaker is very strong. This is true of Rift where scoring a runner is worth way more points than kills. But in a format like control, points are constantly being scored. There are very few objective events, just persistent objectives. Hammer of Sol is exceptionally strong for a super. Sunbreakers don't have many tools in their arsenal to boost their persistent power. And because their persistent power is low and there is now way aside from Int to lower their super's cooldown, it tends to be a long wait until their super is charged again. This is a stark contrast compared to say a nightstalker who has the abiilty to combat roll constantly and go invisible. Or the voidwalker who has exceptionally good grenades and blink and exceptionally short cooldown on their super. As many of us have experienced... it is very difficult to fight a Sunbreaker while HoS is active. 1v1, you've got almost no chance. This is frustrating... but not necessarily over powered. I'm sure HoS has one of the highest kill rates among supers. But I am also sure that sunbreakers have one of the lowest kill rates outside of their super. Because they don't have any tools to boost their power without having super energy. That is valid balance... I honestly think Sunbreakers are in a good place right now. My suggestion to Bungie is that they should buff the Striker and Defender. If they buffed the other two subclasses to be on par with sunbreaker and the other classes subclasses then more people would play them. I get frustrated with getting hit by hammers constantly too. But what people aren't realizing is that almost every titan that is in the crucible is playing as sunbreaker. Those 4 or 5 hammer deaths per game are coming from 2-4 different players. A single sunbreaker is only getting his super maybe twice a game unless they are really dominating, in which case they are doing it outside of their super are just a better player than you.
