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Sunbreaker is not as Over-Powered as you may Think (New Iron Banner Statistics)

[I][b]Disclaimer:[/b] Data is parsed from more than 75,000 games. If you have any enquires about the data collected take it up with the collector whom you may find at the link provided near the bottom of this post. Thank you.[/I] [b][u]Iron Banner Subclass Charts[/u][/b] Curious how your Subclass ranks in Iron Banner? Here's a few charts to highlight a few statistics. [u]Subclass Popularity:[/u] - Pie Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jAMKZMyjKKSIqkmfbidJfNnff9kc5cURiLl9Z7e9CpU/pubchart?oid=109707480&format=interactive - Most popular: Sunbreaker at 21.4%. - Least popular: Defender at 1.60% - Average popularity by Class: 44.41% for Hunters, 28.2% for Titans and 27.39% for Warlocks [u]Subclass Average Kill/Death (K/D) Ratio:[/u] - Bar Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jAMKZMyjKKSIqkmfbidJfNnff9kc5cURiLl9Z7e9CpU/pubchart?oid=1406256444&format=interactive - Highest K/D Ratio: Gunslinger at 1.0945% - Lowest K/D Ratio: Striker at 0.9102% - Average K/D Ratio by Class: 1.0447 for Hunters, 1.0041 Warlocks and 0.984 for Titans [u]Table:[/u] https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3opxes/iron_banner_subclass_charts_showing_average_kd/cvzco81 [u]Source:[/u] https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3opxes/iron_banner_subclass_charts_showing_average_kd/ [b]Edit:[/b] I can not get to all of you and I apologise for that. Another thing: before completely ignoring these statistics try and take into account not only the super but the vast majority of the game as well - i.e. time spent without a Super. Because the Sunbreaker Subclass is so heavily focused around Hammer of Sol, it is left with a mediocre neutral game with few options in comparison with others - e.g. Gunslinger. This is what turns the tide and puts Gunslinger at top. That and the fact that Golden Gun is still extremely good. For example unlike Hammer of Sol if Golden Gun is activated in your line of sight your chances of survival are extremely low due to it being extremely difficult to avoid in comparison to Hammer of Sol thanks to the lack of travel time, lack of arc, high aim assist and so on.

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  • Edited by Darches: 10/15/2015 9:42:18 PM
    So Sunbreaker is the most popular PvP class, with the 2nd highest K/D? Used by scrubs everywhere? I'd say that's OP. Gunslinger actually requires aiming. We don't get armor or healing or tracking or AoE... Only pros play Gunslinger, therefore it makes sense that it has the highest K/D. [b]Your stats literally prove that Sunbreaker is OP[/b]. I'm surprised that Strikers have a lower K/D than Defender. They should still be getting more kills though, which is important...

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    • So if the golden gun is the strongest, let's compare numbers. Golden gun has 3 shots, no overshields or life support, lasts 10 seconds if no shots are fired and can get killed by a sniper headshot. The Titan can have up to 7 hammers, gain life after each hammer, last 26 seconds if no hammers are used, can't be killed by a sniper headshot. This subclass is breaking the game a lot more than thorn did.

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    • To the OP, these statistics are very interesting, but I would suggest changing the title of the post. It doesn't accurately correlate with the content provided within the post. Other than that, great work. Juicy stuff here!

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    • Why can't anyone here (including bungie) comprehend that overpowered is not the same as overused!

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      • If you pop a HoS in the IB you are guaranteed any kills you can find without dying. It's one of the only supers that you can't be killed out of

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        • unless you are a bungie worker these stats regardless of source or the amount you obtained will only showcase so much, its more about how often you see it and how easy it is to use against other players rather than the success rate of it

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          • have been saying exactly what you posted for weeks. kudos for presenting evidence to back up what was obvious

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          • Trials are going to be a disaster if your not a titan

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            • Oh shit, guys he brought facts with him. Yeah, we can't actually listen to you because your facts don't agree with how I feel, so I'm going to continue campaigning against this thing I don't like.

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              • This doesn't actually address the question on hand.

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              • I don't get what this has to do with the topic

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              • I'm more upset by how many people jumped on the titan bandwagon for sunbreaker.

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              • I run around with stormcaller it's so fun

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              • Hammer damage, length of super time and hammer count doesn't matter as much as the fact of HoS Damage Reduction it has baseline. Which is 55% for those who don't know

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              • Lots of hunter mental gymnastics here

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              • Makes me sad because I'm a defender titan guess were not as popular as we once were

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                • That's funny, I thought the warlocks were OP, I take down Titans with head shots And my empyrean bellicose helmet makes me float in the air and live, warlocks just get close and kill everyone instantly is not even fair how the electricity strikes multiple enemies at a time

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                  • Thats because the only way to stop the Hammer of Sol is a hunter... ever consider that? And the fact that every assist with a super counts as a kill on thoes charts, so Shadowshot is only about 1/8th of the total on there.

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                    • Lol OP seriously calls golden gun better than hammer of sol. Please check into a mental hospital immediately.

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                      • What's this? Actual statistics? Nobody cares for those things around here, they just want to tell you about the time they shot a sunbreaker in the head 4 TIMES with the black spindle, but he still didn't die, then he through 7 hammers and got 6 KILLS PER HAMMER!! EASIEST SUPER IN THE GAME!! TITANS DON'T EVEN NEED CONTROLLERS. The level of stupidity in these forums is TOO DAMN HIGH!! I'm just glad that nobody wants my gunslinger nerfed, even though it appears to be the strongest class atm. Sshh, don't let anyone know.

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                        • Friendly note. Your first paragraph isn't in italics because the first [I] needs to be forced into a lowercase i.

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                        • [quote][I][b]Disclaimer:[/b] Data is parsed from more than 75,000 games. If you have any enquires about the data collected take it up with the collector whom you may find at the link provided near the bottom of this post. Thank you.[/I] [b][u]Iron Banner Subclass Charts[/u][/b] Curious how your Subclass ranks in Iron Banner? Here's a few charts to highlight a few statistics. [u]Subclass Popularity:[/u] - Pie Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jAMKZMyjKKSIqkmfbidJfNnff9kc5cURiLl9Z7e9CpU/pubchart?oid=109707480&format=interactive - Most popular: Sunbreaker at 21.4%. - Least popular: Defender at 1.60% - Average popularity by Class: 44.41% for Hunters, 28.2% for Titans and 27.39% for Warlocks [u]Subclass Average Kill/Death (K/D) Ratio:[/u] - Bar Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jAMKZMyjKKSIqkmfbidJfNnff9kc5cURiLl9Z7e9CpU/pubchart?oid=1406256444&format=interactive - Highest K/D Ratio: Gunslinger at 1.0945% - Lowest K/D Ratio: Striker at 0.9102% - Average K/D Ratio by Class: 1.0447 for Hunters, 1.0041 Warlocks and 0.984 for Titans [u]Table:[/u] https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3opxes/iron_banner_subclass_charts_showing_average_kd/cvzco81 [u]Source:[/u] https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3opxes/iron_banner_subclass_charts_showing_average_kd/ [b]Edit:[/b] I can not get to all of you and I apologise for that. Another thing: before completely ignoring these statistics try and take into account not only the super but the vast majority of the game as well - i.e. time spent without a Super. Because the Sunbreaker Subclass is so heavily focused around Hammer of Sol, it is left with a mediocre neutral game with few options in comparison with others - e.g. Gunslinger. This is what turns the tide and puts Gunslinger at top. That and the fact that Golden Gun is still extremely good. Unlike Hammer of Sol if Golden Gun is activated in your line of sight your chances of survival are extremely low due to it being extremely difficult to avoid in comparison to Hammer of Sol thanks to the lack of travel time, lack of arc, high aim assist and so on.[/quote] Bump this forever

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                        • Finally some hard stats. Thank you for this.

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                        • The saddest thing is that statistics, while the only valid factor in these discussions, mean nothing to so many people convinced that they are still being oppressed.

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                        • Nice info man, but you're not really gonna sway anybody into thinking that sunbreaker is not that op, their minds are set. It will most likely get a nerf since it's getting the most complaints out of any aspect of the game right now other than the shadowshot glitch. I myself don't mind it that much, but I main a titan so you could say I'm biased lol.

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                        • What people seem to forget is the class itself is not overpowered only the super. The super needs to be toned down slightly and that's all

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