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Edited by Badshah Kazi:
10/9/2015 8:40:20 PM
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SHOT PACKAGE REMOVED FROM ALL SHOTGUNS!
Lol @ people who use shotguns as a crutch.
Rangefinder will still be a problem but still. At least this eliminates most Matador / Felwinter's now. Can't wait to snipe in peace.
Just waiting for noobs to lose their shit.
Edit 1: Mum look! The noobs are crying already because they lost their crutch! Also 100+ replies. I'm thinking of making pretzels with all these tears. Anyone want to help?
Edit 2: What the shit? I wake up and we're nearly at 900 replies?
Edit 3: Oh lordy, 1350 replies. Let us rejoice, fellow snipers!
Edit 4: 1500+ replies. Apologies if I don't reply. Nathan Drake Collection is just too good.
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#Destiny
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1 ReplySo true I found a salt who started complaint about snipers because his shotgun/sniper is getting nerf
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I use shotugns. I have a Felwinters lie with luck in the chamber, shot package, and hammer forged. This nerf is completely warranted. I should not be able to one shot through overshield at the distances I have done it. Rangefinder isn't nearly as bad as shot package. Its effect on lethality it less significant. I don't know if that needs another nerf.
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And they leave in rangefinder, which may not operate in the same way as shot package, but the effect is the same. The problem they're trying to fix will persist unless both are removed. I'm not trying to be that guy that calls the nerf police on everything, but it's silly to remove one and not the other.
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1 ReplyHonestly I don't use any shot package shotguns in PVP, as I greatly prefer my full auto bullcrap tactics with my Aetheon shotgun. However, totally removing shot package screws over PVE players. If anything I'm starting to think maybe it'd be best if all PVP weapons were sort of equalized in crucible, making shotguns behave similarly to one another or simply removing perks in crucible that were causing issue, rather than removing them entirely. As an example, my Conspiracy Theory -D has shot package and Mutiny. While Shot Package is really useful in PVE, it isn't part of a branch so I'm suddenly without a skill whatsoever on my only legendary special weapon that I cannot replace. However if they "equalized" it in PVP, all that would happen is that it suppresses shot package in crucible. I play a lot of FF14, and they do similar things with skills in there, such as turning the skill Cleric Stance - which makes it so healers can do decent damage but reduces their healing in exchange- into an unable to use skill, same with revive for Summoners who should be damage dealers.
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1 ReplyQuest conspiracy theory has 300 att and rangefinder. And for non iron banner my universal remote will still be gr8.
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1 ReplyWhat did they replace it with,
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This was fair, i'm happy they made this change.
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Good shotguns were overpowered with that perk I hope you all get knee pads instead
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6 RepliesIf we're being realistic, shotguns have a far greater distance for lethality than they do even now in the crucible. But in a game with space magic and aliens, we're not talking about realistic. I've always found that a shotgun with the right perks has a surprising amount of distance to its one trigger lethality. Especially if zoomed. I am one of the people who believes that the CQC nature of most maps with various obstacles and sight obstructions promote shotgun usage. The maps may lend themselves to a certain degree of sniper usage, but to most, shotguns will get the pick. The real issue here is balancing fusion rifles, shotguns, and snipers. They havnt been able to find the balance yet because of the nature of most maps. Secondarily(or maybe primarily), there are massive amounts of randomly generated perks. This means that you can re-roll your weapon until you get all the best ranged perks. Therefore, Bungie can't manage the individual weapons themselves effectively (meaning they don't totally control the loot table) and therefore have to manage what they CAN completely control, which are the perks. Static loot tables may actually solve this entire issue.
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Funally i can use mei fusion rifle and sniper in peace without no crossmap shotty :3
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Yes!! we are now saved from the scrubbery tactics of these so called good pvp players.
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3 RepliesNow all they have to do is just remove blink all together.
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Best patch ever!!!!!!!
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1 ReplySo... Invective or rangefinder? And how have shotgunners messed with your snipes? They will still use shotguns, and OHK range of a shotgun is not the range you should be sniping at....
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RIP Felwinters lie Welcome 1000-yard stare
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at this rate snipers will be nerfed next. 6 months from now we will be shooting each other with spitballs and water balloons.
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8 RepliesIt doesn't matter how bad they nerf shotguns. Shotguns are shotguns and will instantly kill you at close range. All you need to do is get a little closer big woop
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I always preferred range finder anyway. You could set every shotgun range equal to a Titan melee and it's not going to change the outcome for 95% of PvP encounters
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When will people realize that shotguns will always be the most effective close range gun. It's just part of destiny pvp. Get over it already or just quit playing.
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Removing shot package was the best thing bungie EVER did
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Still. I will look for. I will find you. And I will kill you.
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Shot package isn't a problem. The problem is the range stat that the op shotguns have. This stats multiplied the effectiveness of shot package and rangefinder so it seemed like they were the problem. All that have to do is bring down the overall range of those shotguns to be more on par with new ones.
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1 ReplyThanks bungie. Now I don't have to worry about y1 shottys while taking domes with my chaperone :D
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Edited by rafaelmarangoni: 10/9/2015 7:21:42 PMDid I actually read snipers complaining that shotguns used to kill them from a certain distance? Hahahaha That's as ironic as it gets. The whole nerf this, nerf that is really annoying, but we'll find our way around. And I still hope for some sniper rifle nerfs too...
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I love sniping but ill still whip out the shotgun and blink around while cramming shells into the waiting, hungry mouths of guardians. Bungie can nerf range all they want. Ill still land directly on top of idiots that dont know how to counter shotguns and feed them my shells.
