Okay, there's some interesting ideas here, but you are badly misusing percentages and, as a result, the numbers you produce are meaningless. I'll try and break down your computations a little and show where your methodology is a little weak and where you've misused percentages. [quote]First we needed to find out the DR % of a sword. My friend used his her benevolence on my in pvp. A Her Benevolence body shot does 167 damage. While when blocking with the sword it does 50. [/quote] This is nice, but there's a slight nit in that you only got a single data point. There are many, many lines which fit any single data point, so it's hard to be sure that there aren't other factors (maybe the shield works differently for other weapon types, for example). Also, you used an elemental weapon, would probably have been cleaner to use a kinetic primary. [quote]The percentage difference is 107% Meaning that a sword grants the user 107% DR while blocking with a sword.[/quote] "The percentage difference" is a meaningless phrase. There's the difference which is 117 (167-50) and you can express that as a percentage of the original damage (117/167*100) which gives us a damage reduction of around 70%. It's possible that there are ways of combining these two numbers in a way that produces 107, but whatever it is, it's not a meaningful number in any way. Always show your working ;) [quote]Shoulder charge. This does exactly 200 hp worth of damage in pvp which was perfect. We went specifically to the kings fall checkpoint (since the light level is at it's highest there) and used shoulder charge. (My light level is 306 so there is no damage penalty). It did 4734 damage. Now I needed to revert the value.[/quote] Using the shoulder charge was a really nice idea, by the way. There's a major and unsubstantiated assumption here that the damage systems in PvP and PvE are the same. That's actually fine in principal as the rest of our calculation can be viewed as a partial test of that assumption (if the number is incredible, then the assumption is likely wrong). It would have the unfortunate side effect that we wouldn't necessarily be able to trust any beliveable value. Fortunately, this doesn't matter as we shall see. [quote]4734 x 107 (this is 107%) = 506538 damage I'm gonna go ahead and round that to 500000. 506538 would be correct.. assuming I had 200 hp which I don't I have 198. I'm quite confident the blight damage is 500,000 and as we all know. 4-5 sets is a win, you can only do it in 4 sets if you have enough damage. 20 Orbs indefinitely takes down oryx even if you aren't shooting him after detonation. 500,000 x 20 = 10 mil. [/quote] Okay, this is where you really misuse the percentage. Even if we had a percentage of 107, this is not a valid way of using it. Remeber that percentage literally means, "for every hundred" so just taking some number and multiplying it by the raw percentage is obviously wrong. It might have been right if you had multiplied or divided by 1.07, but that's not our actual damage reduction anyway. Let's see what we come up with when we use the correct value of 70%. We're assuming a guardian is killed by 4734 points of damage in PvE. If they can survive a blast with a DR of 70%, that means that the remaining 30% of the damage is less than 4734. Let's say it's right on the edge at 4733. If 4733 represents 30% of our damage then we can find out what 100% is by doing 4733/0.3 which gives us 15,776. 20 blasts would be 315,533 which is just a shade over Skolas' health pre-nerf. At that level, I would expect focussed fire from a team of guardians to have a very noticeable effect especially when High Impact snipers are doing 8-10K per hit. Even if we assume that guardians count as majors in PvE (not unreasonable) and have another stacking 50% damage reduction that only doubles the number to 631,066. That's heading in the right direction, but it's still seems very low given the observed health drops from gunfire alone. So, have we learned nothing? Not quite. We've learned that somewhere along the way, we have made a false assumption. Now, there are a few possibilities, but one stands out above the rest and that's the damage translation from PvP. I just don't think we can translate those numbers in the same way. I feel at the very least that Guardian to Guardian damage is much more impactful than Enemy to Guardian damage. It's likely that Crucible and PvE operate on entirely different damage models. It's also possible that the orbs don't hurt Oryx in the traditional way, but rather through some unique trigger which would render all this discussion invalid. I guess the only way to know for sure is to get a fireteam to down Oryx using only gunfire and anaylse the video capture to determine the damage done (would need to have each Guardian's viewpoint). Maybe Datto is up for a new challenge.