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Roman Catholicism is probably the largest and most well known christian sect. However their traditions and practices are not biblically based. Off the top of my head. The veneration and offering of prayer to or through Mary. Having to go through a priest to be forgiven of sin. The fetishization of the bones of saints and other "holy relics", the crusades..... Etc. All this and more is the exact opposite of what Jesus preached. So how can you say jesus is your lord then turn around and do the exact opposite of what he says and then give your "church" more authority than God? Tldr- Catholicism is a sect, is completely unbiblical and has done more to turn people away from the bible than all of the roman emperors combined.
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  • I think you are stuck in the sola scriptura rut. It is not by the bible alone that we are saved.

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  • But it is through the bible that we know what Jesus taught about salvation. Catholicism is not biblical, it's more Roman paganism than anything.

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  • Also, where in the bible does it say "the bible is all you need for salvation"? If you think about it, what is the bible exactly? It's a collection of writings. How did this collection get put together? Was it simply all the early catholic church's writings? No, it was a specific and CHOSEN collection. No where in the bible did it say what writings were to be part of the bible. That leads us to asking how the writings were chosen, and history tells us this answer. The early church fathers chose the writings, with the assistance of the "Spirit" or the third person of the holy trinity, the Holy Ghost. There were many more holy writings in the church than those included in the bible, but through the holy spirit's intercession, the bible was compiled of those works that were inspired by God. Why say all that? To show the bible is not the only thing we depend on to look for the answers of salvation. Christ founded a church for a reason, to assist us to heaven. The bible is an important part, but not the only part.

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  • I didn't say that, I said the bible tells us what Jesus said about salvation.

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  • "Upon this rock I shall build my church." "Peter" means "rock", Christ was referring to Peter as the head of the church. The Catholic Church is that same church that Christ founded. It's that simple. Saying that the church is paganism is simply illogical and unreasonable.

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  • 1. Christ does not say that He is making Peter the head of His church. 2. The key to understanding this scripture lies in the correct translation of the Greek words here rendered "Peter" and "rock." The Greek word translated "Peter" is petros, meaning "pebble" or "small stone," while the word rendered "rock" is petra, meaning "big rock" or "huge boulder." 3. Christ says He would build His church on the boulder, not on Peter the pebble. Christ is the rock (I Corinthians 10:4). He is also the "chief cornerstone," upon which the church is built (Ephesians 2:20). 4. Although Peter is shown in a leadership position among the apostles throughout the gospels and Acts, the early church leaders did not function in a strict hierarchical manner. Read and study Acts 15:1-29. Here is a ministerial conference called to discuss a matter of doctrine causing division in the church (verse 6). Peter makes his point (verses 7-11), which is later adopted by the other apostles and elders (verse 22). But it is James, the physical brother of Jesus Christ and pastor of the Jerusalem church, who sums up the conference's decision (verses 13-19). This helps us to understand how the apostles (plural) form the foundation of the church with the prophets(Ephesians 2:20). 5. Peter was not infallible. Read Matthew 16:21-23, where Jesus has to rebuke Peter severely for a wrong attitude immediately after His statement about the "rock." In addition, the apostle Paul later corrects him publicly for returning to the Jewish practice of refusing to eat with Gentiles (Galatians 2:11-14). From these proofs, it is easy to see that Jesus did not say He would build His church on Peter, a mere man, but on Himself, and because of that, the church would endure and prevail

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  • Oh so it comes down to interpretation? Interpretation being an opinion? Please understand how that works don't you? Please say yes as I am getting tired of having to educate people. This should have been done back in grade school.

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  • Oh my, it's not interpretation it's properly translating greek.

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  • Edited by Dieselrose: 9/12/2015 9:19:31 PM
    LOL!!!!!!!!! Sit the -blam!- down. Greek? Seriously? Please tell me you are a troll. You have to be. It was Latin. Not Greek. Secondly which version of the bible are you talking about? Do you even know how many there? Edit: I stand corrected. You said New Testament. Not bible. You are corrects New Testament was written in attic greek.

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  • The original new testament was written in Greek. Please, keep showing me the error of my ways...

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  • Edited by Dieselrose: 9/12/2015 9:20:21 PM
    Ok. I am going to educate you. Ancient Greek was 4th century BC. GREEK as you know it was 453 AD. How can the bible be written in Greek, when the council of Nicea was 325AD? Attic Greek was how the New Testament was written. The bible was written in Latin after council of Nicea. Because it was the language of the Roman Empire. Edit: you last post said New Testament, not bible. So yes you were correct. Knew testament was written in attic Greek. There are also those that argue the Aramaic form predates the attic Greek. But that's arguable. Do you know what Latin is?

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  • The council didn't change what was written, the council discussed what was already written.

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  • They debated the divinity of Jesus himself. Some believed him to be god, others man who was perfectly attuned to god, others just a man. As I keep telling you the different bibles of today, the same one you are quoting verses from, are nearly entirely different from what was written in the original scriptures. Your bible is an altered version of the catholic bible. The catholic bible an altered version of the bible from the days of the council of Nicea. That bible an altered version of the actual scriptures. They all came down to interpretation and disagreements in regards to those interpretations.

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  • Well said sir.

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