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Edited by bananachops: 10/8/2015 9:01:40 PM
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My theory on the Cabal...

So I think that the Cabal are actually on a crusade [i]against[/i] the darkness, i.e. the vex/hive. Allow me to elaborate: 1. We've only seen the Cabal fighting the vex, which is described as "evil so dark it despises other evil". 2.They've only been encountered on Mars, a planet which we know the vex are attempting to transform into another machine world. 3. The Cabal have the ability to DESTROY WORLDS, if they wanted to decimate humanity, they'd have hit Earth a long time ago. "But the Cabal attacked us while we occupied Mars". True, but we now know that the vex were there long before we were, and maybe the Cabal knew this, and in an attempt to destroy the vex were forced to attack us to get us to flee Mars, as to escape destruction. "The Cabal destroy planets and moons just for getting in their way". Were they just 'in their way', or were they darkness/vex inhabited worlds? And now we have evidence of the Cabal meeting Oryx head on, crashing their very own ship into his dreadnaught on a suicide mission to stop or slow him. I believe the Cabal aren't necessarily bad, and that they're really on a mission to stop the darkness. I don't think they ever meant to "step into a war" with us guardians, we were just too zealous to allow them taking Mars from us. Also, in every encounter with the Cabal (disregarding the assault on Mars), we were the aggressors. TLDR: Cabal = good guys with a plan Guardians = misguided superheroes Edit: So, after a month of this post being made, and the hundreds of comments it's received, I've concluded that the Cabal are indeed, bad. Yes they were running from something, but then collided with us and couldn't conquer us, so they tried to steal the Hive's tactics since they have an effective strategy to combat our ghosts. Now with Oryx, AKA: the darkness, off their tail and an emergency transmission sent directly to the Cabal Empire, I think we'll be seeing a rather large response team in the future.

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  • No, unfortunately that is not it. Trust me, I like the Cabal, Cayde was right, bug on honor but their actions say otherwise. The reason the Cabal smashed a ship into the deadnaught was for entirely different reasons then you think. Cabal reports show that during various encounters with other races, the "Gaurdians" are the ones that prove the most troubling, especially after "re-integration" they observe, pretty much being revived by their ghost is what the cabal are seeing, they find out that we gaurdians are somethimg called, "dead people". Phobos, meanwhile, recieve a report of an unusual occurance by the reef an deploy the Fleet to investigate, leaving the base bare bones security. Phobos is hit. Reports eventually show that the Hive are making pre-emptive attacks and guardians interference is causing more problems. Guardians are observed, "looting bodys", dismantling an repairing equipment on site, "Dancing" and performing "aerobatics" on light vehicles, from one Cabal report. During the events of the Taken King, it was surmised that the Hive were the only race with capable offensive strategies utilized to counter Guardian resurrection. Thus a message fron emperor himself, utilize whatever remaining force you have, attack the Hive Flagship, establish a beachead and compile any and all data you pertaining to Guardians and Hive tactics. --- With all that being said, that was the inital reason for the beachead, the events afterwards is what transpires during the story mode because the Cabal were not familiar with just how trully power Oryx really was. Can you imagine whats going through those cabals heads? Crash lands into a massive hostile dreadnaught, enemjes armed with weapons of arcane an meta physics, a being who can "Take" them and return them as slaves... Those scared Cabal, even inside their own ship, they are constantly fighting to stay alive, Hive in every dark corner, trying to operate under those conditons with a failing command structure and recons teams almost immediatly being butchered upon arrival. How long can the remaining cabal survivors last on the dreadnaught? Maybe a little longer under Vanguard hands?

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    • Cabal raid we kill the head of the cabal empire first battle in tank then jumps out as a centurion

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    • Edited by Luck On Loan: 10/10/2015 6:41:40 AM
      Loved this theory. No one specifically states why the Cabal are actually there. I mean, the hive's mission is to destroy the traveler because Oryx thinks it kept his people at the bottom of the food chain (see Books of Sorrow, good read). The vault of glass mystery series and other lore tells us somewhat about the fallen golden age being connected to the traveler and how they think it's a great servitor. And the vex do …wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff and play bob the builder. PS: I remember hearing about the the cabal expansion "forge of gods" back before house of wolves and maybe before dark below.

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      • Cabal Raid

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        • Personally, I think we should ally with the Cabal. After all, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

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        • Cabal are warlords. They just want to conquer. They tried to conquer Mars, but began a war with the Vex there to gain control. We happened to come along, and seeing us trying to reclaim Mars, they began to fight us too.

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        • Edited by MR_COOL_1103: 10/5/2015 11:45:09 PM
          Great Theory, what planet are the cabal from any way

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          • The reason that they tried to destroy oryx is to remove the competition. They clearly aren't crusading against the darkness, otherwise a cease fire would be called between the cabal and clearly superior guardians.

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            • Edited by TeWrecks: 10/8/2015 8:59:54 PM
              [quote]Flayer analysis suggests that the Hive have developed unconventional counter-Dead Person capability. The capture of Hive leadership might yield vital strategic intelligence, including weapons or tactics capable of defeating Guardians permanently. We advance that the Hive fleet group near Saturn presents a strong target. For the Primus, Our highest duty done, Unflinchingly loyal Skyburner V/A/SI [/quote]

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            • Edited by TeWrecks: 10/8/2015 8:55:31 PM
              Guys read ghost fragment: Cabal 4, they aren't good guys at least not after what we've done to them, attacking the dreadnaught to steal a weapon that's anti-guardians, damn.

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            • I both agree and disagree with this point. Sure, it most definitely seems like that they are crusaders against the Darkness, with them always fighting the Vex, which are described as 'evil so evil it despises other evil', and now that we know the Vex came pretty much straight from the Darkness, seems logical. Even Their grimoire hints to them running from something (Most likely Oryx) and their weapons seem to be tailored to dealing damage to a large crowd (swarms of thrall!!)very quickly, hence why all their weapons are explosive. But yet they actively switch their attacks to us if we are present. Even when defending there ship in the Dreadnaught, they begin to ignore the Hive to attack us, whether we are trying to enter their ship or just passing by. Grimoire also points out that they are studying Hive because the Hive are the most efficient at keeping us from using our ghosts to Resurrect, that is part of the reason they YOLOed their ship into the Dreadnaught. Only their most recent command from the Empire was to kill off Oryx, hence why Cayde says so during the Brothers Strike.

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            • I don't think they're on a crusade against the darkness. I think they conquer, expand and survive. Just because they fight the same enemies doesn't mean they're doing anything good. Still I like this idea. Lots of things to think about. Why is it the Cabal can blow up planets but they can't just blow up the dreadnaught? Am I missing something here?

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              • This is intriguing. However, Cadye specifically mentions that they are war criminals.

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              • nah they're pretty bad actually. psions are slave soldiers. read the lore.

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                • So what about Oryx having cabal generals?

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                  • The cabal want to destroy Earth. Before this they held back the second flee, the Skyburners. Skyburners are those who operate massive explosives made to destroy planets and moons and maybe a Dreadnought. Why did they hold back that fleet? The Reef. Queen had the power to end that fleet if it crossed her borders. But now the Queen is gone, cabal are losing ground and Oryx is dead. Seems like we are going to stop a few places from exploding in the next DLC.

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                  • "we're forced to attack us to get us to flee Mars" Lol

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                  • If the Cabal were actually good, then they should have joined forces with us against Oryx. Hell, even the Vex, the "evil so dark they despise other evil" sided with us for a time against the Taken.

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                    • Pretty sure cabal are those bobble headed dudes from the fifth element.

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                      • Nah, dey bad

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                      • What about when the cabal are fighting hive on the dreadnaught? Instant loss of point #1

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                        • I always felt this way until they push me into a death wall

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                        • I think you may be onto something.

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                        • The game makes us designated villains. What evil have we done: Possible attacks on civilians in Freehold Almost blowing up the system (but seriously, the Dreadnaught exploding would hardly make a dent in Saturn alone). Everything good about us: Loyalty beyond death. Not even in a North Korea sense, but true, honest loyalty. We [i]hate[/i] the Hive and Vex. We haven't blown up your planet yet. We could, and we haven't. We aren't even related to the Dark. We have small eyes that aren't adapted for nocturnal activities and we carry lanterns to [i]fend off[/i] the darkness. And, according to Cabal 4, you guys are [i]assholes. [/i]

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                          • Edited by Its V0RTEX: 10/7/2015 9:03:24 AM
                            Wow

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