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7/28/2015 2:13:08 AM
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This is my theory and knowledge of the Eliksni
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  • This is a very comprehensive report and it is always interesting to see a fellow lore seeker's article :) In my opinion my work pales in comparison. However I am puzzled why you did not include House Judgement in your article. Nevertheless it was a great read and forces me to rethink what I know of the Eliksni. Thanks for sharing Guardian! I really appreciate it! :)

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  • From what I found, Judgement was a House whose purpose was something like scribes. They were the chroniclers and recorders of the Eliksni's history, scholars and teachers. They did not exist as their own house like the others but were divided among the houses, which makes me think that they were not so much a house as it was a title. They have the second least amount of info available, House Rain being the first, and Until I can get a more accurate picture of how they fit into the Eliksni's social structure, I can't say what their purpose is or was. I have been talking with another member of your clan about some of the other things I have found or theorized about. I send you a link when I finish it.

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  • Cool. Please do :)

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  • Edited by Th3j4ck73: 7/28/2015 7:05:06 AM
    here is what I have on humanity and the beginnings of my thoughts on the awoken https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ReHe9J3jn5O_RFbJVUuJP-P2tcPGcLDDl7MBwTAXHC8/edit?usp=sharing

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  • Edited by Blitz2397: 7/28/2015 7:36:24 AM
    The report is really good. The only things I will add is a quote I read somewhere on one of the Grimoire cards. Don't remember the exact quote or card but I remember in it Mara Sov says my mother was the light and my father the darkness (something like that) before bringing out the Harbingers to engage the Eliksni fleet. This is my own theory but maybe the Harbingers were a gift to the Awoken from the Nine. In exchange for the weapons of war the Awoken would swear neutrality, service to the Nine and creature samples (which are held in the Prison of Elders). Since Mara Sov learned of the Nine's treachery she seeks to expunge all the samples she has collected for them thus far using the Guardians attracted by glory and loot. As to why the Nine need samples I can't say. Shame I can't provide more information/critique for you :(

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  • I think that the Nine are Ahamkara. The name is from a Hindu text and means Aham-"self or ego" and Kara-"to create". The Ahamkara appeared in our world the same time the Traveler did and preached a solipsic ideal. The great hunt was carried out to erase them from the world but all records of them, the hunt and their powers have been lost or destroyed by the consensus. Thier bones are said to still speak to those who wear them. I believe that the Ahamkara are the creators of the Traveler, using it as a ship and defense for their minds. It was from them that we learned to use mind forking in the golden age because they are inherently separated mind and body. The forms they take are created by them at will. during the great hunt their bodies were killed but their minds escaped. Angry they went into hiding and withdrew all aid from us. As the darkness drew closer they went further into hiding, so they created they Awoke as a sentinel to watch the growing conflicts. As the darkness grew they knew that their only hope of surviving was humanity defeating the darkness, so they created Xur as a means to offer us help without exposing themselves to us. I am working on a better worded and thought out version, but that is my theory on the Awoken and Nine connection.

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  • Interesting...very interesting. I knew that the Ahamkara appeared around the same time the Traveler did but I never knew we learned mind forking from them. Your theory makes a lot of sense however leaves a few questions unanswered. Why do you suppose the Traveler would invoke it's children (ie. Guardians) to kill it's creators? And if the Traveler knew of the Ahamkara's mind forking abilities...Why wouldn't it develop a way for Guardians to kill them completely before inspiring the Guardians to purge them? Also...you say that the Ahamkara used the Traveler as a defense, but if they could exist as...a thought, an abstract thing...anything matter based wouldn't be able to touch them. If they existed as programs in the simulation (as the Vex do) then until they took solid form nothing could hurt them. If we use this logic...there would be no need to make the Traveler to defend themselves. Instead...I propose that the Traveler stored the thoughts of a part of the Ahamkara race/civilization. The minds inside the Traveler could manifest their wishes in the real world. The rest of the Ahamkara followed to maintain and make sure that their creation functioned. I believe that the minds inside the Traveler thought that since only they had the power to turn thoughts into reality...they would have no need of the other Ahamkara. Yet they didn't want to kill them off completely, therefore it sent the Guardians to kill their physical forms, condemning them to a matter-less existence as with physical form the Ahamkara could attack the Traveler directly. (This was not meant to disprove what you said, in fact I think this theory is awesome! But I just wanted to offer another point of view).

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  • I see what your saying. I don't think that it was the Travelers will that the Ahamkara be made extinct though. In one of the grimoire cards it says that the conclusion to hunt them was made by the city's consensus, and while the speaker is the head of consensus, given that the Traveler is dormant I can't honestly say that he is acting fully on the Traveler's direction. I think that the Ahamkara exist outside of outside of our physical universe, as does the darkness/hive. They are fighting each other for survival. I believe that the Nine and the Darkness were born out of balance in the universe but unlike the symmetry position I do not believe that they both have to exist in order for the universe to remain balanced, eventually one will prevail over the other. I think that the Nine created the Traveler as a means to search out for a time line that had not been corrupted by the Darkness, and once one was found, be able to defend it should the Darkness arise, as well as to prepare the timeline and its inhabitants for co-existence with the Nine. They also created the Vex as a means to create a timeline free from the Darkness should a timeline not already exist or be able to be found. As the Vex labored, they came into contact with the Darkness and were corrupted. I do not believe the Nine want conflict with anyone and look to it as a last resort. So in order to go into hiding as the Darkness grew closer, they allowed, or led the guardians to kill their physical forms. This gave them the opportunity to go into hiding without causing confusion among humanity as to why the Ahamkara vanished or died suddenly, as well as to not reveal themselves to the Darkness/Hive that were now in the Sol system. The Nine do not wish to destroy the Darkness, for the Darkness is the end of every timeline, as well as what each new timeline is birthed from. But the Darkness grows stronger with each new timeline that is broken or ended and now it has come to a point where the Nines only hope to survive is to fight back, otherwise the Darkness with consume all timelines leaving them to be consumed by it.

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  • You are right about the Speaker and the Consensus ordering the Great Hunt (can't believe I forgot about that). This is a great theory and explains a lot, in addition this explanation has possibly ignited the spark of my new lore article/theory page. As soon as you mentioned that the Speaker possibly didn't speak for the Traveler when approving the Great Hunt...it made me question the Speakers motives and possible plans for the City and its Guardians. I shall do more research and come up with some initial theories on the topic of the Speaker... Getting back on point...this is a great explanation! :) In my opinion this is a solid theory with almost no faults! I'm looking forward to when you post your theories on the Awoken and The Nine. Until then I shall wait with the utmost anticipation and hype.

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