This thread is aimed at XB1. We don't have your fancy Hawkmoon so comparisons to said gun need not apply.
I keep hearing kids complain about Thorn being OP. I used to voice the same complaint until I finally received the mentor missive to do it myself. I tried doing it with just a void shotgun. It was taking forever. So I stepped back. Went after a void primary. I scored Atheon's before I scored Word of Crota so that's what I did my bounty with. It took me less than 4 hours to do the second half. I then picked up a friend to help me run the strike. Mission accomplished, Thorn acquired.
I love the gun.
It's amazing in PvE and it's fun but FAR from OP in PVP. I maxed my gun out. I get tons of kills with it. No more than Red Death or a good Scout rifle. I get more kills from a shotgun. Thorn has great range, but it has a pretty slow rate of fire. I get TONS of assists. I get fewer kills because while I may have poisoned you with NON-stacking damage over time, the guy next to me using an auto rifle or a scout rifle gets the kill because he's putting more rounds down range. If I realize I'm being short by Thorn and I'm not in a 1v1 situation, I rarely die. I can outgun a Thorn user with TLW and if I'm not in a 1v1, I run to cover knowing that a grenade may be heading my way. Either way, the strategies have counters. It's not a guaranteed win just because your using Thorn. If you have the time to post or read posts here in the Bungie forum, you have 10 minutes to research the Thorn's weaknesses and learn to exploit them.
If you have a moderate fireteam then a wall of fire will clearly win against any thorn or any team of thorns. I scored The Last Word a couple of days ago. Maxed it out in Iron Banner and I'm in love with it. I prefer TLW over Thorn in PVP. I get more kills and the rate of fire makes playing a more pleasurable experience. Do I bitch about dying by Thorn anymore? No, I don't. Having used it, I realize there's a level of skill required to do really well with it. If you use that gun, you've earned it and you deserve to have one of the best guns in the game. If Bungie nerfs it then they will have basically p*ssed on everyone that went through the effort of obtaining the gun and that's not right.
Do auto rifles need to be buffed? Probably not. Maybe a small tick, so you're guaranteed the win if you get rounds on target first. Otherwise using an auto rifle requires the least amount of skill and awarding people for using low skill load-outs is not beneficial to the community as a whole.
TL;DR: Thorn is not OP. Earn the gun, use it and realize that TLW is better. End post.
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Too long didnt read but necrobumped
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Necrobump
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Edited by Odinson0341: 7/6/2015 4:21:10 AMHawkmoon is over hyped anyway. Try a Fulcrum with final round, luck in the chamber and braced frame. It has the same ROF and (almost) the same impact as Hawkmoon but more range and stability. And with only 6 rounds in the chamber your chances of LitC working is higher. Or you could try the Ill Will with final round/ LitC and speed reloader. Dont use braced frame on the Ill Will, its reload speed is slower than a snail.....
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I guess no one read the part about I have it and don't use it. Funny. Yes I played a lot of crucible before learning the mechanics. Too bad those early games will hold my ratio low for some time. Not that I really give a shit. But people seem to think my ratio some how affects my opinion of the Thorn. It doesn't. I'm perfectly fine using anything but Thorn. I'm also perfectly fine going against a team of Thorns.
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I don't think it's as bad as everyone says shotguns are what anger me
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It needs a buff
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Petition to ban op from forums.
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It's OP your just sad that it's getting nurfed cause you suck at the game you have to use a gay ass gun like the thorn
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So you're also a kid that got their little toy and don't want it to be taken away from you.
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Your negative KD says 1. You can't talk much about guns being op 2. You use thorn
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I have 3 Thorns All I read was: I get a lot of kills using the Thorn and the bounty was hard for me to do. On this logic alone (ignoring stats, balancing etc) the weapon does not need a nerf. Crutches are made for temporary assistance. Not a lifetime of assistance
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Stopped reading after "Thorn is far from OP". You are drowning in denial my friend...how sad...
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Stopped reading when you said thorns rate of fire isn't very high. It's as high as the last word. Thorn is OP So is TLW
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I stopped reading when you said Thorn has a slow RoF.