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Edited by Vicex: 7/2/2015 5:19:11 AM
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[quote]However, to say it was the only one is as ignorant and inaccurate as totally denying that it was a cause in the first place.[/quote] It might well have been: [quote][url=http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military-jan-june11-civilwar_04-12/]DREW GILPIN FAUST, Harvard University: Well, historians are pretty united on the cause of the Civil War being slavery. And the kind of research that historians have undertaken, especially in the years since the centennial, when there has been so much interest in this question of the role of race and slavery in the United States, that research has shown pretty decisively that, when the various states announced their plans for secession, they uniformly said that the main motivating factor was to defend slavery. So, the kind of percentages that you quote are ones that must necessarily be disturbing to historians, who believe quite differently from the general public. JUDY WOODRUFF: Edna Medford, any idea about why that perception is out there, given the pretty common view among historians, which I assume you share? EDNA MEDFORD, Howard University: Oh, absolutely. It’s all about slavery.[/url][/quote] [quote]I know some black people see it as a symbol of oppression and slavery. I get that and I understand that. My question is, "why remove it?" Out of sight, out of mind? The time of slavery will always be there. Removing the flag will not change the fact that at one time, people of African descent were slaves. This is not something to be angry about. On the contrary, this flag should be a tool to remember the dark times. To remember that there was a time when life was harsh, harsher for them than anyone else and they made it through.[/quote] If you support this, then you support the same idea in regards to the flag of [url=http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law]-godwinslaw!-[/url] Germany, or the Soviet Union, Imperial Japan...etc. TL;DR: You are just plain wrong.
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  • I cannot speak for other states, but in Georgia's articles of secession, slavery was not mentioned. Not even once alluded to. I own a copy of that document and have read it over.

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  • So your 'argument' is based of of layman's knowledge of one document in one state.... and you are refuting a united force of historians who would very much disagree? That's a joke if I've ever heard one.

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  • Edited by Gladlin: 7/2/2015 5:46:47 PM
    Three is hardly a united force. I can just as easily find historians who would say slavery had nothing to do with it.

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  • No- you can't. And these where not 'just three' historians, but three renowned historians who are well-versed in the history and familiar with the stance of historians who are expects on the subject. You haven't a clue what you are talking about.

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