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Edited by ArchangelLBC:
3/14/2015 7:05:00 PM
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The truth behind the "2.5%" nerf.
So, Bungie once again misled us. As you can see from the video, hardlight took over a 6% nerf in PvE and depending on your muzzle up to a 9% effective nerf in PvP. Suros regime is looking at almost a 14% effective nerf across the board.
That's a hell of a lot more than 2.5%. The only rationalization I can see for this was that all your defenders would say both before and after that it was only 2.5%. Before I couldn't really argue. Now though, that number is just a flat out lie.
If you wanted to effectively flip pulse rifle and auto rifle damage, well you had the right to do so and you did. But could you at least be adult enough to be honest about the real numbers?
Edit: Abyss Defiant was doing 348 headshots to tier one enemies, and now it's 326 which is a 6.3% decrease. Anyone have numbers for Necrochasm?
I'm getting different reports that seem to show that the low impact weapons got slapped with a 7% nerf. Any actual numbers appreciated since we know Bungie won't bother.
Edit 2: For the sake of laziness, this is my thread for today's open house thing in 15 minutes.
Edit 3: [url=https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tTMPEAOhYplzPIA4B07pBhQ/htmlview] Weapon damage in PvP[/url]
Thanks to Superbustamove for bringing this to my attention and exxtrooper for actually compiling the data. This is a spreadsheet of damage in PvP pre and post patch. Be warned that it's PvP so rounding errors can make nerfs seem bigger or smaller than they are. Nevertheless the average isn't 2.5%.
Edit 4: Superbustamove also provided the original reddit post he found the spreadsheet at. Again this is mostly a PvP thread, but the info is still way more complete than anything we have had before.
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/2ugaok/indepth_weapons_sats_spreadsheet_for_pvpttk/]Original reddit thread[/url]
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3 RepliesWe ask for a pulse rifle buff. Bungie give us a auto rifle nerf. Great bungie... The buff at pulse rifles was really good. But the auto rifles? Why bungie?
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10 RepliesYeah, I"m not sure exactly how the % works for this game, but a 2.5% change to the guns base damage seems to change it by way more. I haven't had a chance to try out the auto yet, but the 10% buff to pulse rifles seemed to have increased head shots by 30 to 50%, and back in the day when they buffed the scout rifle 7% it seemed to have increased the actual damage output by like 20 to 25%.
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1 ReplyVanquished went down 4 a headshot. I'm really interested in seeing the multipliers in use as it makes no sense to me. Also I love being forced into using pulse rifles or hand cannons
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15 RepliesThis was the most ignorant post ever lol.
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12 RepliesYou even read bro? They said 2.5% overall as in every fire rate, faster fire rate = smaller nerf. Lower fire rate = bigger nerf
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31 Repliesim also pretty sure the nerf was for dps not per shot which would make the percentages for each shot a little different based on ROF
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4 RepliesMy how the mighty have fallen. I've had a SUROS since the first sale back in September, and I've loved that gun so hard. Then it got nerfed. Then it got nerfed again. And now it's been nerfed again. After all of that, I'm trying out Red Death...until it gets nerfed. Anyway, thanks for the post.
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7 RepliesI thought the nerf was to DPS, am I missing something?
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Weapons and their statistics should have been refined through feedback from the beta testers and then cemented before the game was launched. Changing the damage will not entice me to use the pulse rifle especially when the scout rifle still is an option. The pulse rifle simply doesn't match my play style. I will either use an automatic weapon that can be held on target or find a precision weapon that is a semi automatic weapon. I don't need or want a weapon in between.
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I think said something about the 2.5 percent being a ratio so that higher rate of fire autos are looking at less of an effect than the lower rate of fire ones to make them both viable weapons. Not complaining, suros can still compete with just about any weapon but you just cant really snipe with it which shouldve never been its use to begin with.
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They also said that guns with great range like the Suros would be affected the last by the nerf.
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5 RepliesTears delicious tears!! [spoiler]base dmg got effected, other multipliars hit after that, so dif guns got effected differently [/spoiler]
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2 RepliesOnly a true idiot would nerf Auto Rifle damage and Shotgun Range, it was fine, but now Bungie want to force players to use Pulse Rifles and Fusion Rifles!
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Oh and since everyone wants to believe it's just the range nerf watch the video. The suros is still at over a 13.5% loss when firing in pretty close proximity. So unless auto rifle range is supposed to be shotgun range, what we're seeing isn't the range nerf.
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They messes with range hardcore. One of legendary scout rifles does half damage now w/ same scope and perks. I switched scopes,.and damage went back up...like 50%. So apparently, all range got tuned up.
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Waah?
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Edited by CKWK8241021: 2/26/2015 12:37:56 PMYeah I noticed it was way more than 2.5% without even doing the math.. it's sad. Maybe it's only 2.5% nerf if you're right on top if the person? I haven't been in that situation yet. Either way, they lied and/or mislead us.
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1 ReplyBungie will say they scaled the nerf by impact, so the higher impact rifles took most of it, the lower impact less but across the entire weapons class it's at the right percentage.
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I Smell Salt. AR Salt So Common Now, Not As Rare, Not As Profitable.
