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8/27/2014 12:36:49 AM
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I swear, 90% of SJW and pseudo feminist problems can pretty much be solved through the beautiful art of not giving a shit. Hell, they're not even real problems, just pet projects concocted by middle class menstrual tumblr users.
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It's easy to say "stop caring" when you don't experience discrimination/sexism or whatever nearly as often. When the gender which has control over most businesses and most of the government which makes all the laws is telling you things like it's ok for them to sleep around because it makes them studs and you can't because it makes you a slut it's harder to not care.
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Edited by Madman Mordo: 8/27/2014 4:49:30 PM[quote]It's easy to say "stop caring" when you don't experience discrimination/sexism or whatever nearly as often.[/quote] There are actually social and institutional stigmas against men in the workplace. Sure, they might not be as prevalent, but they're definitely there. Also, 80% of work related deaths consist of men. Just dropping my two cents there. [quote]When the gender which has control over most businesses and most of the government which makes all the laws is telling you things like it's ok for them to sleep around because it makes them studs and you can't because it makes you a slut it's harder to not care.[/quote] And again, this could be solved by living your life and not paying attention to the assholes. The beauty of the western world is that there are no legal or institutional barriers in place to prevent you from doing what you want as long as it isn't harming anyone in the process. There is no law stating women cannot have sex with multiple individuals/groups. Someone called you a slut? Boo hoo. Get over it and move on. Hurt feelings does not warrant a key tenet of an ideology, and it never will.
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[quote]There are actually social and institutional stigmas against men in the workplace. Sure, they might not be as prevalent, but they're definitely there. [/quote] The fact that they're not as prevalent is part of the point. Women have a lot of stigmas against them. Feminism fights to end them. Furthermore, feminism doesn't [i]have[/i] to fight for men's rights just like Black rights groups for have to fight for Mexican rights. [quote]Also, 80% of work related deaths consist of men. Just dropping my two cents there.[/quote] I would be curious as to how many women are in the fields where men die the most. [quote]And again, this could be solved by living your life and not paying attention to the assholes. The beauty of the western world is that there are no legal or institutional barriers in place to prevent you from doing what you want as long as it isn't harming anyone in the process. There is no law stating women cannot have sex with multiple individuals/groups. Someone called you a slut? Boo hoo. Get over it and move on. Hurt feelings does not warrant a key tenet of an ideology, and it never will.[/quote] It's easy to ignore an individual. It's not easy to ignore a good portion of society. A LOT of men would call women a slut for wearing semi revealing clothing for example. Having so much of society against your life makes it hard to live that way and you end up having to conform to how society tells you to live. That's the problem. It isn't right.
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Edited by Madman Mordo: 8/27/2014 11:25:23 PM[quote]The fact that they're not as prevalent is part of the point. Women have a lot of stigmas against them. Feminism fights to end them. [/quote] And I fully support that. However, I see no banners being waved for men, and the challenges men face. [quote]Furthermore, feminism doesn't have to fight for men's rights just like Black rights groups for have to fight for Mexican rights.[/quote] Which is why egalitarianism makes all the more sense. Ya know, equality for [i]everyone[/i] and all that. [quote]I would be curious as to how many women are in the fields where men die the most.[/quote] [url=http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cfch0004.pdf]Page 6: 54% of the workforce consist of men, yet yield a staggering 96% death rate whereas women face a measly 7%.[/url] Suddenly the whole stigma against women doesn't seem as significant now. [quote]It's easy to ignore an individual. It's not easy to ignore a good portion of society. A LOT of men would call women a slut for wearing semi revealing clothing for example. Having so much of society against your life makes it hard to live that way and you end up having to conform to how society tells you to live. That's the problem. It isn't right.[/quote] Conformity isn't a serious argument. There are gender exclusive expectations and pressures put on me as a male that I'm expected to fulfill too, but I don't rally too the streets in protest because they upset me. No one is legally or socially obligated to live up to expectations, but that doesn't necessarily mean NO ONE is allowed to have expectations of other people either. Seeing a pattern yet? These problems all have a solution to them which I've been saying for a while now. [spoiler]shits. dont give them[/spoiler]
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[quote] And I fully support that. However, I see no banners being waved for men, and the challenges men face.[/quote] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement]Men's Rights Activists are a real thing. [/url] [quote]Which is why egalitarianism makes all the more sense. Ya know, equality for [i]everyone [/i]and all that.[/quote] Egalitarianism is fine, but not everybody wants to focus on rights for everybody else. A single, working mom might really care about how she's being discriminated against by a sexist employer and just wants to fight back against that, and couldn't care less about the struggles an El Salvadorian man faces in America. That's fine. There's nothing inherently wrong with focusing your civil rights efforts in one area. Feminists aren't pushing for less rights for anybody, they are just pushing for more rights in a specific one and that is perfectly acceptable. It's not like Black rights activists are wrong for not branching out, but everybody seems to say feminists are wrong for not including men. [quote]Page 6: 54% of the workforce consist of men, yet yield a staggering 96% death rate whereas women face a measly 7%. Suddenly the whole stigma against women doesn't seem as significant now.[/quote] Not what I asked. What specific jobs to men die so much in? Police? Factory workers? Soldiers on the front lines? What percentage of [i]those jobs [/i]do women hold? I guarantee it isn't very high in any case and that's why women don't die much on the job. [quote]Conformity isn't a serious argument. There are gender exclusive expectations and pressures put on me as a male that I'm expected to fulfill too, but I don't rally too the streets in protest because they upset me. No one is legally or socially obligated to live up to expectations, but that doesn't necessarily mean NO ONE is allowed to have expectations of other people either.[/quote] Again, it's easy for you to say don't give a shit when the people who hold the highest positions as employers and law makers in society are invariably men. Your gender controls the highest positions in the country and aren't going to put unrealistic expectations on themselves. If anybody below them tries to put too many on them, they can react by using their power and hurting them. If a female employee starts expecting a guy to put out above her, he'll fire her and since there are far more men in power positions than women, it's harder for women to ignore and no give a shit. Again, it's society, not just an individual. It's easy to talk tough and say "Even if everybody I met on a daily basis was calling me a loser and telling me I'm doing something wrong, I wouldn't give a shit because I'm an alpha badass mother-blam!-ing boss who lives how I want", but until you live that life, it's honestly too hard for you personally to understand how tough it is to live up to that.
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Edited by Dafuq: 8/27/2014 3:08:55 PMWhile I really do sympathize and support ending sexism, bitching about it and alienating people aint the way.
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Would totally agree. Ghandi's way of combating any sort of oppression was to do so peacefully, even in the face of violence. Getting nasty and resorting to childish insults not only makes you look stupid, it adds fuel to the fire of those who stand against you.
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Can I quote you and save this forever?
