Hello everyone,
My name is Vile and I have been playing destiny for a very long time now. Both PvP and PvE. http://wastedondestiny.com/xbox/non3%20so%20vil3 I have climbed to the top 1% of this game and have also made alternate accounts to test my theories on the subject matter at hand. Enough about me lets dive in.
As everyone is completely aware by now Bungie has taken it upon themselves to implement a skill based matchmaking system (SBMM). There has been numerous threads and discussions regarding this. I will link just one that I found in two minutes.
[url]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/191169947/0/0[/url]
Now all of my following statements are going to be my opinions and hopefully it opens up some perspective to both higher skilled players and lower skilled players. Where to start? *Sigh. One thing that Bungie really failed to do with this game which all of us I think can agree on is custom games. Pretty sure that isn't going to happen either so we can move past that.
Now some questions to you the reader as we discuss this. Why do you play PvP? Do you like to better yourself at shooters? do you want to always play the people that are the same skill level as you? Majority of people like to get better at the game they are playing and to prove that why do you level? why do you raid? to progress right? same can be applied to crucible. when you play someone that absolutely destroys you, you learn from it. I have found that the majority of hate primarily comes from the gun being used first than the player. Ex. Thorn (you were all thinking it) That is a whole other topic of discussion.
One of the biggest problems with SBMM is that it tries to average out combat rating, ELO, K/D, whatever you want to call it. Let's just use ELO for arguments sake. Some one with a ELO of 2000 (pretty high) is matched against 3 players with ELO's of 1000. In order for this to be a balanced match in a mathematical since the player with 2000 ELO will need to have 2 players with an ELO of 500 on thier team. Now on paper this would indicate a "fair match" but in reality the two people with an ELO of 500 are essentially chickens with their heads cut off. Here is a sample match of what I am talking about. https://account.xbox.com/en-us/screenshot/cb92a73f-2eb0-40dc-9116-77bf27a9b2a6?gamerTag=NON3%20SO%20VIL3&scid=37770100-f9ae-4b80-9dad-7c1d0ec14469
Now in order for me to win that game I had to try pretty hard. I would hope that the two team mates that carried would of learned something from that game but they probably didn't and they will probably never play against me or with me again, which in of itself is a shame. They can't get better constantly playing the same bad kids over and over and over. This results in a stale match made check mate it you will. top 1% player will never only play top 1% players ever, unless its a purposely made match via classic 3v3's / 6v6's. This is our current variant of custom lobbies.
Anyway I had a couple of theories as to combat Bungie's broken system.
Theory 1: Delete my characters and try crucible again. The result was I was still getting matched against the same people I did before I deleted the characters, Sweaty kids. Which goes to show that all of your game history and "skill" are saved permanently on the account.
Theory 2: Create a new account and try crucible. This appeared to be the only way for me to have fun again in crucible. here is a sample pic of the very first game I played. Level 4 striker titan. https://account.xbox.com/en-us/screenshot/2d544557-dca7-4985-818b-049fe59329f1?gamertag=None%20So%20ViIe&scid=37770100-f9ae-4b80-9dad-7c1d0ec14469
I think I used a spark of light so I was probably level 25.
I know that this has been a long read but I hope that Bungie will one day fix this nightmare that is a pathetic attempt to bring gun balance to the game in a different way. It feels as if they are trying to separate gun usage via some sort of SBMM i.e. Thorn, Felwinters, matador etc.
Thanks for reading and let me know your opinions as well. Sorry for shitty edits and grammar. Peace!
Edit 1: Wow over 300 votes!? I didn't expect that many votes. Keep it up
VILE
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I dont know why bungie doesnt just go back to connection based when its clearly the majority choice
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im not the best player, but i dont mind getting beat. I just cant stand losing to lag.
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Great post. It is very evident that the vast majority of players that still play Crucible prefer connection-based matchmaking instead of skill- based. The numbers on your poll do not lie! Skill based-matchmaking does not create a "safe haven" for players who are not very skilled. And neither us 1% will keep improving if we get matched up against opponents from different parts of the world, thus deteriorating connection quality.
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Where is the "who gives a flying fu##" option?
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I'm not in the Top 1 but I'm in the Top 3, the amount of sweaty games I have to endure is ridiculous and since the pool of us is so small, I keep running in to them and streamers and shit, it's just annoying so I switched to my brothers account who stopped playing in Y1 and I'm having fun again, especially because he has no exotic weapons
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Sweaty city in trials LOL all games feel like the 8-0 game
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I can't even play skirmish for fun because of all the sweaties using thorn and felwinters. I'm tempted to make another account to actually play for fun.
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Anyone who voted SBMM. Is either god awful at pvp. Or they don't even play pvp
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Just be nice to have a chill match every now and then Its sweats every damn round And I'm terrible
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SBMM is the aids of Destiny. Red bar trash. Get rid of it
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It should be 100 percent ping based. Sbmm does not work for all of the known reasons
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Edited by drvankmen: 2/12/2016 8:20:06 PMwhy would any idiot choose skill over best possible connection? answer... who cares. anyone that would choose sbmm over best possible game connection on an online fps title should be ignored.
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Got pooped on last night yesterday in CD for my last few matches when I played with someone who got better at Crucible. I actually don't mind SBMM, if the connection to other players was better. So unless I go into CD or whatever with someone from Australia, I should have a chance to play some actual Green Bars from the UK who are similar to myself in skill level. Not that I have any skill at all, or anything like that.
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I stopped playing crucible bcuz it is zero fun now
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People who voted Connection based matchmaking don't know what it's like to go up against Thorns every game.
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This penis poll is magnificent lol
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Edited by Ryoko3000: 2/13/2016 5:37:05 AMThe LAG is terrible. I hate seeing people skip around the screen and disappear... while they are all green bar. Its BULL! And apparently it works, since few people are complaining. The Green Bars are lying. I can tell something is wrong when I whiff on the shoulder charge or if the map tells me someone is on the left, but they attack from the right. Or when I die from a grenade out of nowhere.