Ok. We all (should) know of 'the rose,' the hand canon weilded by pre-corruption Dredgen Yor, said to be one of the greatest guardians of his time. Now we all (should) (again) know about the story between The Last Word and Thorn, and that thorn was the product of hive alterations to a guardian's hand canon. Now what I speculate is that The First Curse [i]IS[/i] Rose. 'Q that doesn't make any sense!' Oh but it does. TFC (First curse) is said in several places to be a sister to TLW (last word) that grew distant and was lost. Why would an entire gun model be "...lost to fire" whilst it's sister is remembered in all its glory? -TFC quest quote If TFC is really the rose, why would there be any reason to keep the schematic for a gun that eventually killed so many guardians? If you worked at Tex Mechanica, don't you think it'd be a good business decision to scrap the blueprints to one of your own weapons that killed guardians rather than be known for having it be on your manufacturing list? Scrapping blueprints is much easier than explaining a backstory; especially with Tex's history of doing crazy things according to grim cards. So the reason why TFC was lost is pretty clear. And the relation to TLW is quite obvious (looks, said to be sister gun, TWIRLS), but one crucial detail I'd like to point out is from one of LW's grim cards: "...Then I met two men; one a light, the other the darkest shadow I had ever seen." -LW grim card These two men most likely are Jaren Ward, weilder of LW, the other Dredgen Yor, pre corrupt, wielding FC. Yor becomes who he is, and FC becomes Thorn as he transforms from light to dark. But besides that the card sort of hints that Ward and pre-Yor are sort of comrades, and it would make sense that their guns are related to an extent. 'But Q Thorn doesn't look anything like FC and its stats are totally different!' Yes, the stats are different. Whoopdy doo. And of course a hive modified gun will look different from a regular gun! But the fact that these two men go back further than what some of the grim cards may say leads me to believe that there is a strong connection between their guns too. Oh and to reinforce the idea of Yor+Ward: There's a grim card that talks about two men from Tex M. doing some questionable business with Shaxx near the city. Shaxx says several times '...[u]your[/u] Tex Mechanica crap' which I like to think means that both men here are either reps for Tex or work there. The way I see it is that the two men are Yor and Ward; and if their backstory goes as deep as it seems then the idea of them having similar guns isn't all that far-fetched.