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Edited by Elden Lord Archon: 11/9/2015 12:58:47 PM
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The REAL Xûr!!!!

Everyone knows about that mysterious hooded figure who appears in the tower every Friday to troll us with shitty exotics we already have. However, it’s possible that the creepy tentacle face dude we see in the tower is not his true form, but an agent or extension of his true self. In order to contemplate his true form, we need to think about what little information about the Nine, and an extinct dragon-like species known as the Ahamkara. First, we will discuss the Nine. Here is a quote from Ghost Fragment: Legends 2: "The Nine are survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies who made a compact with an alien force to ensure their own survival. The Nine are deep-orbit warminds who weathered the Collapse in hardened stealth platforms. The Nine are ancient leviathan intelligences from the seas of Europa or the hydrocarbon pits of Titan. The Nine arrived in a mysterious transmission from the direction of the Corona-Borealis supercluster. The Nine are the firstborn Awoken and their minds now race down the field lines of the Jupiter-Io flux tube. The Nine are Ghosts who pierced the Deep Black without a ship and meditated on the hissing silence of the heliopause. The Nine are the aspects of the Darkness, broken by the Traveler's rebuke, working to destroy us from within. The Nine is a viral language of pure meaning. The Nine are the shadows left by the annihilation of a transcendent shape, burned into the weft of what is." Long ago, in the Golden Age, the Ahamkara made deals and bargains with the humans. However, after the collapse, the early guardians supposedly hunted them to extinction. Why would the guardians do this? Long ago, before our Golden Age even began, the Traveler used to belong to the Fallen. When the darkness found the Traveler, it fled lightyears away, abandoning the Fallen entirely. The next species to gain the Traveler's blessings were the humans. Eventually, the darkness found us. The Traveler was about to abandon us just as it had with the Fallen. In response, Rasputin attacked the Traveler, severely crippling it. The Traveler knew that if it tried to flee now, the darkness would catch up to it and destroy it. There was only one thing left it could do to ensure its survival: use up the last of its strength to push back the darkness and create ghosts and guardians. Being creatures of the Traveler, the Ahamkara probably tried to heal it so it could leave. To prevent this, the guardians had no other choice but to hunt the Ahamkara to extinction. However, are they truly extinct? "The Nine are survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies who made a compact with an alien force to ensure their own survival." There just may be one left, hiding deep inside a warmind on Europa. My theory is that the survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies, some of which may have been guardians, found the last Ahamkara. The Ahamkara made a deal with the survivors, that if they did not attack it, it would not attack them. If the guardians gave it their ghosts, and access to the Jovian warmind, it would in return, protect them from the darkness and cease in its efforts to heal the Traveler. In that moment, the Nine was born. There are 3 Ahamkara names known to date: Eao, Nyx, and Maw. All of these names have 3 letters. Xûr also has 3 letters. Based on the evidence, I think it is very possible that Xûr is the last Ahamkara in existence. The creepy tentacle face dude we see in the Tower probably used to be one of the awoken survivors, but now lives on inside the Jovian warmind. "The Nine are the firstborn Awoken and their minds now race down the field lines of the Jupiter-Io flux tube." It would make sense that the bodies are now under Xûr's control, so he can continue to make bargains with guardians, just as he and the rest of his kind did before the collapse. Also look at this video (I didn't make it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQeLNj-IYso That's what made me think of this. [b]Edit 1:[/b] OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just had an absolutely massive epiphany!!! The ahamkara are creatures of the Traveler, and they love to trade. Based on this, I think the light is all about trading and fairness. The darkness does not follow those rules. The darkness only takes. It takes and leaves nothing behind. The only thing you can claim from the darkness is pain. The grimoire [b]HEAVILY[/b] implies how the darkness is based on theft. And just think about it: the [b]Taken[/b]. And Oryx, the [b]Taken[/b] king! In fact, one grimoire card refers to him as "the king of taking." Trading is the way of the light, and theft is the way of the dark. [b]I HAVE SOLVED DESTINY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D[/b] [b]Edit 2:[/b] If Europa is introduced as a new area in the Forge of Gods DLC, I made up a cutscene where you go inside the Cis-Jovian complex, and talk to the real Xûr. I hope you all enjoy! :D https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/171782047/0/0/1

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  • Edited by Calluna Tea: 11/9/2015 6:45:39 PM
    Eao makes sense but I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that Nyx and Maw are ahamkara? Edit: If you're referencing Fangs of Nyx then there's still no huge connection considering the ahamkara aren't the only species to have fangs in Destiny. Also, in Greek mythology Nyx is the goddess of the night (and also the mother of Eris but that's besides the point) so it could just mean "Fangs of the Darkness" and since you're assuming the ahamkara are creatures of Light (related to the Traveler), it doesn't make a good connection. I'm just trying to understand how you came up with the connection. Your theory is interesting but I'm still leaning toward the ahamkara being beings of darkness and possibly the same creatures as the worms. I do believe they were brought here by the Traveler but I think it's because the darkness always follows the light.

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  • Nice theory.

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  • [quote]The nine are ancient leviathan intelligence from the seas[/quote] The nine are reapers confirmed

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  • Xur has candy in his van, why don't you get some?

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  • What are you pulling Eao, Nyx and Maw from?

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    • thanks for the shoutout! :)

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      • Shut up Meg.

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        • No, Xur is a RingWraith from LOTR in disguise. ;) There were 9 Ring wraiths and Xur is an agent of them. And he looks like one too Yours does make more sense tho

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        • Just wanted to point something out... There are NINE explanations of the Nine... There is probably one of each!

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          • Three letters huh? Wait three letters?!? Three times one equals three half life 3 destiny crossover confirmed!!!!

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            • bump for later

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              • Ben has 3 letters. I am ahaamamakara confirmed.

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              • Edited by No Skillvey: 10/13/2015 8:25:13 PM
                [quote]This is the legend of a great creature by the name of Xur Mixalot. For years, he lurked in the shadows of old Russia, not knowing what he was good at or what his purpose was. One day, he ventured into the tower and applied for a job as the assistant cryptarch, but Rahool being the heartless awoken that he is, denied his application. So The creature made his way to the tower lounge to drink his sorrows away, when he found the jukebox. He pressed play and a song from before the golden age came on, it was known as "baby got back". He felt the rhythm pulse through his body. He began to rap, and he rapped like no one had ever rapped before. Then Kabr approached him and complimented him on his rapping skills. He said that he could help him perfect the art of rap if he brought exotics to the tower every so often. So the two of them struck an agreement and immediately began training. After months of spitting rhymes and creating rhythms, the creature was given a name and that name is Xur Mixalot, a reference to the first rapper that he ever mimicked. So know By the weekend, he is known to you all simply as Xur but when he's not in the tower, he's recording sick beats in honor of Kabr.

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                • The ahamkara arent extinct The ones in the sword world (our world) are extinct not the ones in the void

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                  • Ahamkaras are -blam!-ing dragon

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                    • The Traveler belongs to no one but yes she was with the fallen first but then the darkness attacked it and overwhelmed it after it killed her leviathan. After she fled and abandoned the hive the humans were not the next race to be found by her she traveled to many places blessed a lot of life until she eventually ended up here in our system using one of the outer gas giants gravity to fling herself to Mars then we got our golden age. Centuries later the darkness found us and attacked. The Traveler did not try to flee she tried to fight back but couldn't win and then rasputin gave up after he set off a big bomb in space that halted the hive assault on the humans which inadvertently created the awoken. It didn't matter to him if we died as long as he won against the darkness but he couldn't so he went to sleep to try and figure out a way after he saw that the traveler couldn't win either and then the traveler ended up on earth and eventually during sometime in the dark age the traveler makes the ghost with her dying breath to help mankind fight back. Then after a while the city age starts after the titans build the first wall. Then sometime after the vanguard had been established guardians discovered the ahamkara and realized they offered answers to questions no one had thought to ask and they granted power when it was needed but eventually they were deemed dangerous so they started the extermination. The ahamkara were not trying to heal the traveler they feast on reality and the light, at least 5 are known to be the gods of the hive. Akka Eir Xol Yul and Ur I believe there was other Ahamkara trapped in fundament that where released at the same time but those have no affiliation with the hive I believe. Anyways most of that is my interpretation of the grimiore as to what Xür is I'm not sure, he says the light burns and that where he comes from there are no birds and the only things that fly are like shadows as of right now we aren't really sure as to what or who the 9 are but their current intentions have saved our system for the time being.

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                      • BUM BUM BUM BUMP

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                        • this is a cool theory, but so far A LOT of the lore has been based on Norse mythology somehow and in Norse mythology, "The Nine" are the nine worlds of existence (or something to that effect). while Im not saying im right, i think that there is more to the nine than just what you said

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                        • I don't think they he is the actual ahamkara. He always spouts about how 'his will is not his own' and 'i am a servant of the 9'. He may be under the influence of the last, but isn't the actual. Why would the last hunted beast just waltz into the den of the hunters. Unless....

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                          • I'd like a quest chain that you do for Xur that has you learn more about the nine and the history of the traveler.

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                            • Pointless an horrible you tube conspiracies have claimed another one guys! Quick take their you tube away before they realize who Alex Jones is!

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                              • Don't like reading

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                                • The guardians don't know about what Rasputin did, so the ahmkara aren't creatures of the traveler. Other than that I like your theory

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                                  • Destiny's lore is awesome....if only it was in game story telling, not through grimoire. Also I could see why it's not in game because well....that's a hell of a lot of backstory to everything lol

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                                    • Oryx has 4 letters Crota has 5 letters 5+4=9 Agent of the 9 Bungie's number is 7 Wait? Oh my god! Did you see that? Why was 6 afraid of 7, because 789! Bungie is planning to eat The Nine! WARN EVERYONE!

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                                      • I'd laugh if it went down something like the Mask Of the Speaker being Ahamkara bones and influencing each Speaker to do it's will all along or something else like this.

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