I'd like to start a conversation amongst people who are regular PvPers as to the current state of weapon balancing. This isn't to say non-PvP players can't offer thoughts, but I really want to hear from the people who spend a lot of time in the Crucible and have used all the weapon classes in it. My overall take on balancing can be found here https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/114553028/0/0 So after getting in and playing quite a few matches last night, my initial impression of 1.1.2 is that I didn't really notice the reduction in special ammo. Now I'll qualify that by saying that I mostly use primaries and switch to a Fusion Rifle in close combat situations. Someone using strictly special weapons may find their play more affected. I do know some snipers have commented it's worse for them. Overall I think that, for average use, the effects are minimal which surprised me. Now going beyond the special ammo change and looking at overall weapon balance in 1.1.2, here's my thoughts. 1) ARs should get some (if not all) of their 2.5% back. The main issue with ARs was effective range and so having damage fall off at range should have been the only fix. 2) Scouts need a slight buff. Nothing to the level Pulse Rifles were buffed, but definitely a nudge up (or slight boost to impact across the board). 3) Hand Cannons are the new Shotgun. By that I mean that they're the controversial flavor of the month for the nerf babies (though Thorn's always been). My take on Hand Cannons is that as a class they're damage output is fine and Thorn's DoT is 100% not OP. My only issue with Hand Cannons is I think they're a little to close to scouts (meaning about even) in terms of effective range. I have no problem with hand cannons 2 shotting me, but I don't think it should happen standing on complete opposite sides of The Anomaly (and halfway down the ramp from B). I don't think they need to be radically brought in, but I do think they're accuracy at that range needs adjusted or a slight damage drop off. 4) Pulse Rifles. I think overall they're in a decent place. I'm not sure they needed quite a 9% buff, but I also don't find them OP at this point. 5) Fusion Rifles. I think they're perfect. I find they're just as effective as pre 1.1.1, but I don't see any of the ultra cheap half a map away kills anymore. 6) Shotguns. I think they're perfect as well. I've never seen the issue personally. They do exactly what they're supposed to- dominate in close quarters and easy to stop at any kind of distance. Radar and walking backwards. Never been hard. 7) Snipers. As far as weapon performance I don't think there's much to say. They're great for campers and annoying for everyone else, but 100% fair. My 2 cents on Final Round (the only real sniper point of contention) is that I'm fine with it. I've always thought if someone was willing to risk emptying all but one round and taking that risk, more power to them. There's enough risk involved to justify the reward. 8&9) Rockets and Machine Guns. Don't know that there is anything that needs said about either. Maybe just give your teammates at least 5 seconds to get to the ammo lol. So that's my take on our current weapon balance. What are your thoughts on where each weapon class sits at the moment? Keep it clean and be nice to PvE players who weigh in. [spoiler]Until they say something like Gjallarhorn is OP. All bets are of then.[/spoiler]