Ya you are pretty bad

Not at all. I specialize in breaking stalemates and creating gaps. Sacrifice plays that are why my win loss is better. I play control, of course. Because murdering fellow players isn't fun to me.

You do realiZe I can see your stats? In all your recent games you were a detriment to your team. K/d matters a lot on control. It's just team death match with zone multipliers. Dying as much as you do hurts your team even if you manage to clear a zone. Having below a 1.0 k/d will make you a liability 90% of the time in a control match. Dying gives the other team points as well as charges the enemy team's supers. Im assuming you play with a group that carries you regularly which is why your win loss ratio is still decent

false.. taking more risk to kill others when you control 2 or 3 zone grant you 250 or 350 point per kill whereas death give 150 max per death to enemies. so play safe when you have 1 or no zone.. take risk and kill even 1 for 2 death when you dominate the zones.. i prefer to suck a little more at crucible and be good at math..serve you well in life..

Kd doesn't matter at all. It is absolutely only important if you give a shit about it. I don't. Not even a tiny bit. All it means is I died more in that game. And given all my current games are IB games, where I am playing with strangers, most of whom have tea bagged me or said stupid shit on here like you have, why should I care? Not counting the 30's who take zero damage from multiple direct hits like in my current game. It is the practice field. Practice is not the actual game. It means nothing. There is zero ranking involved and it changes nothing.

You're right k/d doesn't matter in terms of my life. But it 100% does matter when judging the skill of someone in destiny pvp. It is directly tied to your ability to kill the enemy more than they kill you. In Destiny pvp your ability to gun down your enemies more than they do you is a barometer of 90% of a players skill. And don't give me the bull about iron banner. I've maintained a 1.5 k/d this whole week playing iron banner with a lvl 28 warlock. While it's been more difficult, I've had no problems dealing with lvl 31s and 32s. Check my recent games if you don't believe me. I'm never going to be able to get you to admit you aren't that good. Stick to pve scrub. Any good pvpers can look at your stats and see you are garbage in a few seconds

Oh, I know I am not that good at running around murdering other players on a practice field. But that doesn't mean anything, even within the game, because it is a practice field where people routinely cheat, where lag is steady, where the maps are unbalanced. It doesn't measure skill because you cannot measure skill simply on the basis of deaths and murders. Skill can only be measured in level ranges, and there is nothing level about the crucible. If there were, perhaps you would have a point, but it wouldn't be that I am not good or unskilled. Hell, you don't even know how my controller is set up, how old I am, how long I have played video games, eye -- all of which factors in. It is a meaningless score. What does matter is win loss ratio, in team based stuff. I am pretty sure mine is slightly favorable, but I have been playing to rank in IB the last two days. And isn't it odd how there is more lag and more difficulty connecting when IB happens... Just had an unlimited heavy earlier this evening in a game that I was playing with a team. I freely admit, as well, that I hate the crucible and don't think it should be part of the game, but I didn't create it so that isn't something that matters either. If I want to wear the pretty arms instead of the butt ugly crota stuff, I have to play crucible. So I do. And I will have fun and I will achieve my bounties. Btw, in looking at my stats, did you notice that weapon wise I use a fusion rifle? With around 575 kills with it. Mean while I have over 2000 melee kills. In a situation where proximity gets you killed in a single shot. Think on that and how that factors into your "skill" measure.

Let's touch on some of your points 1. I've never seen genuine cheating in the crucible. Invincible, infinite heavy, etc. I've played since the alpha and have never seen it. Not denying it exists, but I think they are very isolated cases. 2. Lag. I never have that much of an issue with lag. I would say 1/10 games I experience a laggy player. Sometimes it causes me to die but most of the time I can adjust and work through it to still have a good game. 3. You talk about a lack of a level playing field being a reason why your poor k/d is irrelevant. The only problem with this is that you've played 40 damn days on that character. Dude after that long it is very likely you have some the best crucible gear and weapons in the game. In terms of the unlevelled field you are on the much higher advantage level. If you can't have success in the crucible after that much play time, it's just more proof that you aren't very good. You have good gear and enough experience that you should be scoring much better per game. Look at the play time on my warlock compared to yours. I levelled him up IN CONTROL. From lvl 3. And my k/d and score per game average are still far superior to yours. I was on the shitty end of the playing field till lvl 20 and am still on the shitty end of the field in iron banner as a lvl 28. I deal with it and still have good success. You also talk about controller set up, eyes, etc. where do you draw the line then for a level field? Even if someone has a slight hardware advantage with a controller, that's just it, it's slight. You can only make yourself that much better with good hardware. Either your aim is good or it isn't. If you're setting your controller up in such a way that it's detrimental to your play then you're just an idiot. As far as eyes go, ya if your eyes suck that sucks and won't help. But again, a line has to be drawn when measuring skill. You wouldn't say a guy 4 ft tall may be just as skilled at basketball if only he was taller relative to the 7 foot guy dunking all the time. If your eyes suck and you are bad at crucible, you are still bad, you just have a good excuse. 4. I don't understand your point about fusion rifles and melee kills. Congrats on getting 2000 melee kills. I wonder how many of those kills resulted in your death immediately afterwards. 5. It's fine if you don't like crucible. Dont try to convince me you aren't bad at it though. A lot of people don't it in there and suck and it's fine, just wish you didn't have to come in for bounties and gear. I agree that it needs a ton of work. More competitive features, ranking system, better loot system, better skill based match making. That being said, I still enjoy it and enjoy being challenged in there when playing against good teams.

Again, it doesn't matter in judging skill because it doesn't measure any skill.

So basically you're saying "no you're wrong because you're wrong" You suck at arguing as well

No, I am saying you are wrong because you are arguing from a flawed and ignorant position. You are wrong because you think something that cannot measure skill does so.

I obviously didnt read all that but im really sorry to tell you. KD is not everything or something to brag about but when somebody asks you why are you a good player or why you have skill. The anwser is that you take more guys out than they kill you. And if you always have a kd below 1.0 it means the enemy team gets more points than you do for your own team. So somebody has to make up for that. Means he has to be more skilled and make mkre kills than deaths

Not skill. It has nothing to do with skill.

Ok than how do you measure skill ?

That is the question, is it not? What would truly measure skill? How would you test and rank such? Fortunately, it is a practice arena, so doing so is not a major concern.

No its just a questiom for you. A good or skilled player is skilled because he makes more kills than deaths. He maked more kills than deaths --> usefull for the team --> team wins --> thats the point if he game.

Toni isn't to bad he does go for the actual objective literally, he is in the top 1% for defensive kills, 3% Offensive kills, top 1% for captured, 2% for naturalized. Pretty crazy he does have some bad stuff to though top 1% suicide ( don't worry I am in the top 2% I'll catch up ) top 2% for deaths. Overall Toni is getting more points if he is in 1% for defensive kills then that means he's getting a good amount of points if he kills someone. Very good objective player I must say, we all play differently like for me I can get kills and when I must I'll help try and capture a zone but I usually be slaying people.

I never said he was bad. Where do you get all those percentages and what do you mean top 2% ? Of all players or what ?

You might've misinterpreted I wasn't saying you called him bad I just wanted to say that he's pretty good. You can get these % from destinytracker.com, you guys want a leaderboard to see if your good well there you go.

Ah nice. There they tell you whats your skill haha :D no discussion ever anymore xD