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Edited by A K: 1/12/2015 2:45:36 PM
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Sniper rifles - let's get this straight,...

there seems to be a lot of people who still seem confused when it comes to quality of Sniper Rifles. for better clarification i am only going to consider guns that have (or CAN have) 331 attack, simply because 331>300 ;) for the record - i have Ice Breaker, Patience and Time as well as Black Hammer (BH needs 2 more damage upgrades tho) in order of quality: 1. Patience and Time 2. Black Hammer 3. Ice Breaker 4. ANY RANDOM Legendary based on the perks it's been rolled with ...sorry, but Legendary sniper rifles available at Vendors won't make the cut, the perks are not that great, however as long as you don't have ANY of the above 4, even one of these will do now, you must think i have gone mad, but think about it for a while, what would you want from your sniper rifle? me, i want ACCURACY (well, possibly even range, but i never found that to be an issue with Sniper rifles in this game IceBreaker - this thing kicks like a dying horse (or a Rodeo one), trying to land at least two consecutive headshots with this rifle is therefore rather difficult which has moved this to 3rd place (and im telling you that if it wasn't for the ammo regen this would hardly qualify for an Exotic) Black Hammer - this one's got a lot less kick when fired, although the problem here is low mag size, 3 could possibly be enough, however there would have to be a lot more punch to beat our BEST sniper rifle in Destiny... Patience & Time - next to no recoil, 6 rounds in a magazine, landing consecutive headshots alomst 100% of the time Damage-wise these 3 are pretty close to one another, and i know that ammo regen on IB and 'back-to-mag' on BH are great, if,....IF...and thats the biggest problem - both these guns are GREAT, however rather situational P&T on the other hand works ALL the time, EVERY time - i can guarantee you that by the time you get those 6 shots ON TARGET with the IB, i would have already fired my first mag, reloaded and most likely emptied the second one as well -> twice as many shots Plus, it unique perk does not require any further conditions to be met (you can ADS anytime), and it looks best EDIT_1: i am not saying other sniper rifles are bad, and i obviously haven't tested them all EDIT_2: this post is mainly for all those recklessly chasing Ice Breaker while it is obviously nowhere near being The Sniper Rifle of Destiny ;) look at the comments below, no one seems to be arguing about me not placing IB on top ;) EDIT_3: you have asked for it - below is the info from Destiny Gun Data, although most likely for 300 weapons, so scale ICEBREAKER: dmg/shot: 1,284 DPS: 9,630 ADJUSTED DPS: 1,148 Patience and Time: dmg/shot: 1,033 DPS: 9,471 ADJUSTED DPS: 7,306 *ADJUSTED = Damage per second adjusted for reload time, and per this P&T does almost 7x more damage EDIT_4: this post is PvE oriented EDIT_5: i stand CORRECTED - my bad for missing out Efrideet's Spear, i would say its probably better than IB though, thus also better than BH as ES doesn't seem situational ;)
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  • Your post seems to focus on PvE which is cool and all but, if you use a sniper as intended " From a distance" Ice Breaker is the best for me. Yes it kicks like a bitch but from a distance you always have time to line up that last shot. And from a PvE stand point you can't leave out Praedyths Revenge. I missed out on Efrideet Spear and hope the bring the Queens quests back.

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    • I think you have dps and Dpm (damage per magazine) mixed up. Dps means damage per second. It's the amount of damage you can show for in a one second window frame. Take the gjelly and thunder lord argument into effect. ( I don't know the actuall DMG numbers, this will just be easy math) in one second, the gjelly could do 5000 DMG in a one second window where as thunder lord might pull off two shots in a one second window doing 500 DMG per shot for a total of a thousand DMG. As far as your adjusted results go, that's only your adjusted results I take it? That also might be a problem when telling numbers. Your adjusted numbers are based on your sniping skill level. I don't know your adjusted sniping skill level.

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    • P&T is nothing special. I had tower snipers that could out damage it. quick fireing might matter in PVP where 2 fast body shots can kill but in PVE if I'm sniping I'm not in a huge time crunch and the regening ammo is better then the burst DPS when ammo runs out. now if you are set up somewhere that time does not matter and mobs are not shooting at you. useing IB to regen ammo then switching to P&T for 2-3 mags worth of shots is nice. but there are still points where IB will 1 shot things and I dont think P&T will. boomer duty for the crota fight is an example.

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      • I don't like P&T at all, if I'm sniping I'm faw away enough to take the time for my shots. P&T's unique perk is quite useless for PvE (unless you want to skip enemies). I would rather have a legendary sniper (LRD5001 or longbow) with perfect balance than the P&T taking up an exotic slot. Not to mention they have a chance of having firefly or outlaw as final perk.

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        • Edited by PapaSohan: 1/12/2015 3:45:13 PM
          Icebreaker and Blackhammer are the only snipers I use. This is because Gjallarhorn is always equipped. The only reason I wouldn't have GJallarhorn equipped is if I am posted somewhere sniping (i.e. knights on CE). In this event, Icebreaker is my only option because I don't want to have to worry about running out to get ammo. Edit: I use Praedyth's Revenge in Crucible.

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        • Thanks, now I don't feel like an outcast for having P&T and BH but no IB

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        • Way to long to read...use what ever I like, it's a videogame

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          • Edited by HereToStay: 1/12/2015 11:47:05 AM
            It just depends on what situation you're in honestly. People will have their opinions but I think there is no 'best' sniper. They're all situational and kept in my inventory just in case :)

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          • I have Ghorn so i use my black hammer does the job so well what a combo

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          • depending on which boss I'm fighting, if they stay rather stationary, (the templar and atheon for example) I will use BH otherwise ice breaker all the time, has never let me down.

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            • Honestly the only time I use my P&T is when I'm soloing the lamp section of Crota's end. Even then it's only a cushion for if I screw up. I switched out Black Hammer for Preadyth's last time I did hard VoG because I felt with 6rds and the fast reload I could hit more crits and faster. And I put Ice Breaker on the back burner for the GHorn because I know if I do come to a point where it's handy, ammo is only a few seconds away. It's all situational for sure. That's why half my inventory is stacked with shit I "might" need.

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            • IB is still the single best weapon in the game. patience and time is barely better than a LDR5001 with good perks rolls.

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            • Edited by Ronin Tanuki: 1/12/2015 8:12:09 AM
              PVE: Ice Breaker (with black hammer being close). PvP: Praedyth's Revenge Ice Breaker wins b/c of it's regeneration. You can use it on anything from a Mook (be it a thrall, goblin or dreg) to the toughest enemy and not feel like you're wasting anything. Black hammer is great, yes, if you land all crits. It's very situational. Why is Praedyth's best for PvP? It's stats mainly, but also because it's a legendary. This means you can run myth, Suros, or TLW!

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              • PvE: Icebreaker PvP: Praedyth's Revenge Having ammo regen on a sniper rifle is a MUST. This guy is a fool if he thinks P & T is better than Icebreaker. The only time and I emphasise ONLY time P & T is better is on an arc burn nightfall/weekly heroic. Praedyth's Revenge is the best in PvP due to its stability, fire rate and reload time, it is also a legendary freeing up you're exotic slot.

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              • For Pvp legendary snipers with armor Piercing and final round are Op Black hammer, PnT,IB can't ohk through a wall with a body shot nuff said

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                • Completely disagree. Hunters make patience and time not much of an exotic. Black Hammer is situationally good for easy critical kill bosses. You didn't even talk about one of the things that makes the Ice Breaker so sought after. Combustion makes it amazing for mobs. I do the first part of Crota's End with it because I can no scope enemies that get too close and do an easy multi kill from the combustion. It kills mobs well and I have no problem getting multiple headshots with it in a row. Patience and Time usually just feels like a waste of an exotic slot so it's usually collecting dust in my vault.

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                  • I agree with the ranking for purely overall dps, but running out of ammo is a much bigger problem if you use want to break out your sniper rifle more than occasionally. I generally like saving the ammo cooldown for heavies and never worrying about secondary.

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                    • Gozen-C is the most OP sniper in the game. [spoiler]Until your enemies hit lvl20. Lol[/spoiler]

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                    • You seem like your a fan of p&t. Personally once I got ice breaker I never went back to p&t. As I have seen and as your damage stats you posted show, Ice breaker is the most powerful sniper. Also I think you focused too much on reload speeds. There's very few situations where you will need to/or be able to put more than 6 bullets into a target without having to take cover or move. This usually ends up giving ice breaker time to regenerate ammo. You also say without ammo regeneration ice breaker would not deserve an exotic spot. Any exotic that looses it's best perk would decrease in value! It's pointless to take that into consideration when ranking the snipers. I don't have black hammer but that seems like in certain situations(important boss fight situations) it is hands down the best. Regardless [b]any sniper at 331 will suffice in any situation.[/b]

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                      • Once you get used it IB recoil it's not hard to hit 6 consecutive headshots lol

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                        • Obviously a troll, scrubs using ice breaker

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                          • If this post is PVE orientated why would you use any sniper besides the Ice Breaker unless you're doing common strikes or Nightfall with Void or Arc burn. Hell even then you should carry an Ice Breaker cuz you can use the ammo regen glitch with it. The PT is fun to use and does well in PvP but in serious PvE situations like raids the Ice Breaker wins every time unless you prefer the Black Hammer Gjallarhorn combo

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                            • Civilian applications

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                            • how is Icebreaker 3rd for Pve uses ? :o

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                            • I'm sure one of my LDR's outdoes my P&T

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                            • You forgot the best sniper in the game, it's clearly the No Land Beyond.

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